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Hey guys, I've been considering getting back into the hobby recently and have been playing around with some Iron Hands lists, however they felt slow and unmaneuverable and ill placed for the malestorm games of today.

To help this I've shifted my focus onto White Scars with Kahn, the scount move seems invaluable to get those lightly armored rhinos closer to the enemy .

The strategy is for the Librarian to join the devastators and Kahn the bikers. Shooting from the devs with re to hit spell and ignore cover with the ability to jump back inside the Rhino should help me move forward and clear objectives, I went for Rhinos over Razorbacks as the Razorback is so weak id rather have more bodies on the table. The Bikers hang out on the wings and tackle squads and the land speeders do a turn 1 Alpha stike. The flyers come in hopefully turn 2 and keep the skies clear and pop transports.

My questions to you guys are

• Is the list strong/ able to deal with all kinds of armies.
• Is the Storm wing a good choice
• Is storm blade better than demi - company
• Any advice and criticism is valued.


Formation (1439pts)
'Storm Wing (430pts)

Data Lattice, Escort Craft
Stormraven Gunship (200pts)

Four Stormstrike Missles, Twin-linked Lascannon, Twin-linked Multi-melta

Assault Vehicle, Power of the Machine Spirit, Skies of Fury
Stormtalon Gunship (115pts)

Skyhammer Missle Launcher (5pts), Twin-linked Assault Cannon

Strafing Run, Vectored Afterburners
Stormtalon Gunship (115pts)

Skyhammer Missle Launcher (5pts), Twin-linked Assault Cannon

'Stormlance Battle Demi-Company * (1009pts)

Clear and Sweep, Mobile Firebase
Bike Squad (145pts)

And They Shall Know no Fear, Chapter Tactics *, Combat Squads
Biker Sergeant (31pts)

Combi-grav (10pts), Twin-Linked Boltgun
Space Marine Biker (21pts)

Bolt Pistol, Twin-Linked Boltgun
Space Marine Biker (21pts)

Bolt Pistol, Twin-Linked Boltgun
Space Marine Biker with Special Weapon (36pts)

Grav-gun (15pts), Twin-Linked Boltgun
Space Marine Biker with Special Weapon (36pts)

Grav-gun (15pts), Twin-Linked Boltgun
Devastator Squad (259pts)

4x Grav-cannon and Grav-amp (140pts), 5x Space Marines (70pts)

And They Shall Know no Fear, Chapter Tactics *, Combat Squads
Rhino (35pts)

Storm Bolter

Repair
Space Marine Sergeant (14pts)

Bolt Pistol, Boltgun, Signum
Kor'sarro Khan (150pts)

Bolt Pistol, Moonfang

And They Shall Know no Fear, Furious Charge, Independant Character, Master of the Hunt, Prey's Bane
Moondrakkan (25pts)

Twin-linked Boltgun

Hammer of Wrath, Jink *, Relentless, Very Bulky
Tactical Squad (158pts)

Plasma Gun (15pts), 6x Space Marines (84pts)

And They Shall Know no Fear, Chapter Tactics *, Combat Squads
Rhino (35pts)

Storm Bolter

Repair
Space Marine Sergeant (24pts)

Bolt Pistol, Combi-plasma (10pts)
Tactical Squad (158pts)

Plasma Gun (15pts), 6x Space Marines (84pts)

And They Shall Know no Fear, Chapter Tactics *, Combat Squads
Rhino (35pts)

Storm Bolter

Repair
Space Marine Sergeant (24pts)

Bolt Pistol, Combi-plasma (10pts)
Tactical Squad (139pts)

Meltagun (10pts), 5x Space Marines (70pts)

And They Shall Know no Fear, Chapter Tactics *, Combat Squads
Rhino (35pts)

Storm Bolter

Repair
Space Marine Sergeant (24pts)

Bolt Pistol, Combi-melta

Space Marines: Codex (2015) (Combined Arms Detachment) (410pts)

(No Category)
Chapter Tactics *

White Scars
HQ (110pts)
Librarian (110pts)

Mastery Level 2 (25pts)

And They Shall Know no Fear, Chapter Tactics *, Independant Character
Power Armour (20pts)

Bolt Pistol, Force Axe, The Hunter's Eye (20pts)

Librarian Infantry (Character)

Troops (240pts)
Scout Squad (120pts)

4x Scouts (44pts), 4x Shotgun

And They Shall Know no Fear, Chapter Tactics *, Combat Squads, Infiltrate *, Move Through Cover, Scout
Land Speeder Storm (50pts)

Cerberus Launcher, Multi-melta

Deep Strike, Scout
Scout Sergeant (26pts)

Bolt Pistol, Combi-melta , Melta Bombs

Land Speeder Storm


4x Scouts (44pts), 4x Shotgun

And They Shall Know no Fear, Chapter Tactics *, Combat Squads, Infiltrate *, Move Through Cover, Scout
Land Speeder Storm (50pts)

Cerberus Launcher, Multi-melta

Deep Strike, Scout
Scout Sergeant (26pts)

Bolt Pistol, Combi-melta, Melta Bombs

Land Speeder Storm

Fast Attack (60pts)
Land Speeders (60pts)
Land Speeder (60pts)

Heavy Flamer , Multi-melta

Deep Strike

41 Models
7 vehicles
3 flyers

The way this is formatted makes it very difficult to read. I apologize for not having more to say.

Yes your right that the formating was terrible, next time I won't copy and paste from BattleScribe

I am Running a Scar blade Strike Force ( Scar blade Battle Company + Storm Wing) and a separate CAD to make up for my lack of obsec.

Storm Wing

Stormraven Gunship - Twin-linked Lascannon, Twin-linked Multi-melta

Stormtalon Gunship - Skyhammer Missle Launcher

Stormtalon Gunship - Skyhammer Missle Launcher

Stormlance Battle Demi-Company

Khan - bike

5 Bikes - 2 grav, combi-grav,

7 Tactical Squad Plasma Gun, Combi Plasma, Rhino

7 Tactical Squad Plasma Gun, Combi Plasma, Rhino

6 Tactical Squad, Melta Gun, Combi Melta, Rhino

5 Devastators - 4x Grav-cannon and Grav-amp, Rhino

CAD

Librarian, Mastery Level 2, The Hunter's Eye

5 Scout Squad Combi melta, meltabombs, Land Speeder Storm, MultiMelta.

5 Scout Squad Combi melta, meltabombs, Land Speeder Storm, MultiMelta.

Land Speeder MultiMelta, Heavy Flamer

Is this a good starting point to get back into the game?

As I said I have no intention of attending super competitive tournaments I just want to have some fun and win a few games.

Cheers guys

Looks like a reasonable list.

You might want to consider the stormbringer squadron for your scout/obsec needs. It’s everything but the librarian fron your CAD, but fits into the overall WS formation.

If you want to keep the librarian, I might suggest dropping a few of the odd tac marines to get him a bike.

Hey Nevelon,

My reasoning with the Librarian is to get prescience so my grav devastators get 12 shots re rolling to hit, re rolling to wound and ignoring cover.

So these guys take out the big scary unit that my tacs can't deal with then jump shoot jump back into the rhino due to their special rules.

Do you think a command squad with grav guns with the lib on the bike would do a better job?

Just to clarify would my scouts and storms that are part of the separate cad not get ObSec? I thought they would due to the army being bound.

thescrote wrote:
Hey Nevelon,

My reasoning with the Librarian is to get prescience so my grav devastators get 12 shots re rolling to hit, re rolling to wound and ignoring cover.

So these guys take out the big scary unit that my tacs can't deal with then jump shoot jump back into the rhino due to their special rules.

Do you think a command squad with grav guns with the lib on the bike would do a better job?

Just to clarify would my scouts and storms that are part of the separate cad not get ObSec? I thought they would due to the army being bound.

Honestly, you might get more milage out of the CAD, I just wanted to bring up the other formation as an option. You are correct that the librarian gives some very nice buffs. There are pros/cons to the devs vs. the bikes. I’ve not played with the new WS formations, so it’s all just therorycraft for me.

The scouts and the storms would be ObSec in the CAD. But being outside the formation, would get none of it’s bonuses.
If you take the Stormbringer, only the scouts (not the storms) would be ObSec, but would be able to disembark after 12” and the storms would get the jink boost if near the normal speeder. Plus, because they are part of the Scarblade, they get the re-roll for hit and run, the turbo boost bonus, and the HoW bit. You trade the buffs of the Lib and ObSec speeders for a number of fancy tricks. Worth it? Maybe. Not sure myself.

The main reason I wanted to use the formations is they are pretty cool and the "tax" is fairly insignificant.

However taking into account how psychic heavy a lot of armies are, one librarian is unlikely to achieve anything .

I've taken your advice and changed it up to include a Stormbringer squadron.

This has changed my list to have a powerful alpha strike with 7 melta shots followed by 3 squads of scouts charging in the melta bombs and grenades! Which should cripple/ kill 3 enemy vehicles.

Whilst this means I can take down vehicles easier, it still means wraith knights will be a real

Should I pull the trigger and start searching eBay?

Updated list as follows

Storm Wing

Stormraven Gunship - Twin-linked Lascannon, Twin-linked Multi-melta

Stormtalon Gunship - Skyhammer Missle Launcher

Stormtalon Gunship - Skyhammer Missle Launcher

Stormlance Battle Demi-Company

Khan - bike

5 Bikes - 2 grav, combi-grav,

7 Tactical Squad Plasma Gun, Combi Plasma, Rhino

7 Tactical Squad Plasma Gun, Combi Plasma, Rhino

6 Tactical Squad, Flamer, Rhino

5 Devastators - 4x Grav-cannon and Grav-amp, Rhino

Stormbringer Squadron

5 Scout Squad Combi melta, meltabombs, Land Speeder Storm, MultiMelta.

5 Scout Squad Combi melta, meltabombs, Land Speeder Storm, MultiMelta.

5 Scout Squad Combi melta, meltabombs, Land Speeder Storm, MultiMelta.

Land Speeder MultiMelta, Heavy Flamer