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Necrons lacking a super heavy titan has made me start to dig around a little into some alternate ideas of either building one from scratch or using another super heavy from a different faction. The Brass Scorpion came to mind as an easy conversion. However, looking at the rules I would have to homebrew some of my own ideas into the current stats and abilities it has without making the thing so broken no one would want to play against it.

Any ideas or any experience with Necron titans or possibly modifying the rules of the Brass Scorp?

The necrons do have superheavies: the Tesseract Vault and the Obelisk. That said, neither are very good, the obelisk is quite decent in smaller games (it was used in a top 8 LVO list recently), but it doesn't have Titan-class firepower, and cannot compete in apocalypse sized games where 6 hp AV 14 isn't a big deal. The Tesseract vault is tougher and has more firepower, but it has random C'tan powers that make its shooting worthless most of the time. So while you can take Necron superheavies, they can't compete in big games.

As to your conversion idea: the brass scorpion could probably be necronified without too much trouble, it already looks somewhat similar to canoptek units. Maybe check out some of the forge world canoptek stuff like tomb sentinels and tomb stalkers for inspiration.

Ahh I did mean a titan along the lines of an IK or something. Would boosting the WS and BS to 4 and tossing the gauss rule on its weapons be too much? It seems 700 pts for what its stats and rules are seem a bit steep when compared to something like an IK or WK.

After looking at the brass scorpion model again, I've come up with a plan. Please take note, however, that I have no idea whether these pieces would fit, as I don't have a brass scorpion model, these are just suggestions based off of photos of the models.

I'd suggest getting a Triarch stalker kit to bash with the brass scorpion. I would replace the two outside chain-fist bits on the brass scorpion's claws with the smaller legs of the Triarch stalker. Then I'd try and mount the large legs in the middle of the scorpion's claws, so that they covered up that spiky raised line in the middle of the claw and curved down into the gap where the central chain-fist bit used to be. Then I'd replace the scorpion's main cannon with the particle shredder or maybe one of the heavy gauss cannons that comes with the stalker. I would then extensively modify the whole tail gun assembly. I'd cover the khornate emblem on the top with the ankh of the Triarch piece from the cockpit of the stalker. Then I'd replace the tail gun with the heat ray, and I'd replace those little blade pieces on each side of the gun with the mandibles from the stalker. If you did all that and then gave it a nice Necron paint scheme with some necron transfers, I bet it would look pretty good.

Some good ideas there... Thanks for the reply!

 Resin Glazed Guardsman wrote:
Ahh I did mean a titan along the lines of an IK or something. Would boosting the WS and BS to 4 and tossing the gauss rule on its weapons be too much? It seems 700 pts for what its stats and rules are seem a bit steep when compared to something like an IK or WK.

The Brass Scorpian is a really good super heavy because of its 3d6 charge and d3+2 stomps plus with 5++ and IWND it takes a lot of shooting to bring it down. I don't think just straight buffing an already good super heavy is going to go over well with out some form of compensation (like a price increase or nerfing something else)

 Resin Glazed Guardsman wrote:
Ahh I did mean a titan along the lines of an IK or something. Would boosting the WS and BS to 4 and tossing the gauss rule on its weapons be too much? It seems 700 pts for what its stats and rules are seem a bit steep when compared to something like an IK or WK.

I don't know, the brass scorpion seems pretty strong (though not as strong as many other superheavies I agree). It can get into combat (where it is very deadly) pretty easily, it's firepower isn't bad, and it's fairly resilient as well. I don't think your changes are incredibly overpowered, but since it's a straight upgrade it wouldn't be fair, since a daemon player fielding the same model would be at a disadvantage. I would suggest replacing the daemon special rule with living metal. It is a super heavy and already has it will not die, so that is a straight downgrade. Losing fear and it's invuln would, imo, be enough to warrant raising its ws and bs to 4. Don't bother giving its weapons gauss, most of them are already high enough str. for it not to matter, and upgrading them would be a bit too much of an advantage over the regular scorpion. All its other rules are self-explanatory or could be justified from a Necron fluff perspective (runes of the blood God could be a more powerful gloom-prism type device, for example), so you could keep them.

After watching a few youtube videos I do see what a fast melee powerhouse it is, seems perfect for Necrons as that is what they truly lack.

I think it would be fair to run it rules as is, maybe just confer the daemon rule to some kind of necron shield gen for the 5++.

How would you feel if someone ran that as a super heavy option in a necron game?

As long as the model was properly converted/painted, I wouldn't mind a bit. The only question I have is is the brass scorpion a daemon unit or a chaos space marine unit? The reason being it would be a little wierd to have a giant canoptek construct that is a come the apoc ally. Allying a chaos marine unit would make more sense since they are allies of convenience, but like I said how the model looked (or a good narrative explanation) would be more important than the rules.

Anrakyr-the-Traveller wrote:
As long as the model was properly converted/painted, I wouldn't mind a bit. The only question I have is is the brass scorpion a daemon unit or a chaos space marine unit? The reason being it would be a little wierd to have a giant canoptek construct that is a come the apoc ally. Allying a chaos marine unit would make more sense since they are allies of convenience, but like I said how the model looked (or a good narrative explanation) would be more important than the rules.

RAW it is CSM only, FW has stated it is CD as well and "will be corrected in future FAQ/Errata they are working on" I don't know why it is so hard for them to pump out an FAQ for such an easy fix, but as is, it would be CSM.

This got me thinking

Why not a Necronify a Tyranid Tygron/Mawlock into a GIANT Canoptek Wraith?

Make some Homebrew rules and BAM! a Supercool Unit

Little off topic, but what FW book is the Brass Scorpion in?

commander dante wrote:
This got me thinking

Why not a Necronify a Tyranid Tygron/Mawlock into a GIANT Canoptek Wraith?

Make some Homebrew rules and BAM! a Supercool Unit

Hmm, the only thing there is the Tyranid models are very organic looking, im trying to keep to the whole mechanical construct look that the spyders and wraiths have.

The rules for the scorpion are in IA:Apocalypse (2013) and in Warzoneandorax.

I think the point was that you could simply make a gigantic wraith-like construct and call it a trygon / mawloc. IF you're proxying then it really doesn't matter what the original model is supposed to be does it?

And damn, only those books? I was really hoping it'd be in IA:13, the Lost and the Damned one.

commander dante wrote:
This got me thinking

Why not a Necronify a Tyranid Tygron/Mawlock into a GIANT Canoptek Wraith?

Make some Homebrew rules and BAM! a Supercool Unit

I love "Cronifying" other units! As soon as I finish my green stuff work on my Nagash-to-Nightbringer conversion, I'll post some pictures of him.

 morganfreeman wrote:
I think the point was that you could simply make a gigantic wraith-like construct and call it a trygon / mawloc. IF you're proxying then it really doesn't matter what the original model is supposed to be does it?

And damn, only those books? I was really hoping it'd be in IA:13, the Lost and the Damned one.

It is in IA:13. in fact that its most recent rules printing