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Hello all. I was hoping you could help get me started. I've traditionally been a 40k Tau/Necrons player and have never actually fielded any Marines. I've decided to start playing 30k and have chosen the Iron Warriors after reading the Horus Heresy books.

I currently have the contents of Betrayal at Calth plus a 4th 10man BaC Tactical Squad. Hence, I have 40 Marines w/4 each of the special and heavy weapons to work with along with the Terminators, Contemptor and two HQs.

I'm currently thinking something like...

The two HQs, as is.
2x 15 man Tactical Bolter guys
5 man special weapon guys
5 man heavy weapon guys
5 man shooty termies?
Kheres Contemptor?

Any thoughts?

That's a pretty standard list, and it's not all that bad. A few key things to remember with 30k:

1) it's no where near as competative as 40k is. 30k is more about the fluff of your army rather then cheesing it up.
2) you will generally need to run a praetor so you can play with your rights of war
3) remember that 10-man power armor squads drop like flies, so position your smaller squads accordingly
4) 30k is NOT a perfect clone of 40k. MSU (Small units in 30k generally being 10-man squads) doesn't do all to well against the more 'fluffy' 20-man tactical squads and the like.

So looking at what you have now, how would you want to expand? IMO Iron warriors look best (visually) when their doing massed infantry (multiple 20-man tactical squads, terminators, etc.) backed by artillery. Gameplay wise they do large squads well, their special terminators are great, and havocs are fun.

 Brennonjw wrote:
That's a pretty standard list, and it's not all that bad. A few key things to remember with 30k:

1) it's no where near as competative as 40k is. 30k is more about the fluff of your army rather then cheesing it up.
2) you will generally need to run a praetor so you can play with your rights of war
3) remember that 10-man power armor squads drop like flies, so position your smaller squads accordingly
4) 30k is NOT a perfect clone of 40k. MSU (Small units in 30k generally being 10-man squads) doesn't do all to well against the more 'fluffy' 20-man tactical squads and the like.

So looking at what you have now, how would you want to expand? IMO Iron warriors look best (visually) when their doing massed infantry (multiple 20-man tactical squads, terminators, etc.) backed by artillery. Gameplay wise they do large squads well, their special terminators are great, and havocs are fun.

Right now the goal is just to get the models I have assembled and painted. I have friends who are willing to play smaller games while we ramp our armies up in size. Ultimately, I'll probably get a second Betryal at Calth for more core Marines, bulking the Terminators out to 10 models and a second Contemptor. I have a Forgeworld Relic Contemptor sitting unassembled in my closet, which would give me three. After that... Transports? I feel like I'll need Rhinos for my smaller Power Armoured units to get them into position. Are Rhinos viable in 30k, or do they just pop immediately?

I definitely want to get some artillery. Rapiers and Legion Basilisks? Does that sound fluffy? I'll probably try for a Breacher Squad also because that seems fluffy for Iron Warriors and I think the shields would look great with hazard stripes!

Welcome to 30k Kris
The list you've made sounds good, but here's what I recommend you make.

Praetor with Cataphractii (Can convert into a Warsmith)
---This will be good for one of the IW RoW (Allows 4 HS slots)
Siege Breaker Consul (PA HQ)
---This will work quite well with the rest of the list, recommend putting with Termies
5 Terminators (Will need Cyclone missiles for each)
---Turn these into Tyrant Seige Terminators, very solid choice for IW
40 Infantry
---The 2x 15 man infantry squads are solid for now, give the Sarg Artificer Armor and give the squad a Nuncio Vox.
---With the remaining troops the % Spec and 5 Heavy is good idea.
---For Specials, give them volkite, Chargers if you want them up front, Calivers if you want them sitting back.
---For Heavies I would recommend Missile Launchers

Right now the goal is just to get the models I have assembled and painted. I have friends who are willing to play smaller games while we ramp our armies up in size. Ultimately, I'll probably get a second Betryal at Calth for more core Marines, bulking the Terminators out to 10 models and a second Contemptor. I have a Forgeworld Relic Contemptor sitting unassembled in my closet, which would give me three. After that... Transports? I feel like I'll need Rhinos for my smaller Power Armoured units to get them into position. Are Rhinos viable in 30k, or do they just pop immediately?

I definitely want to get some artillery. Rapiers and Legion Basilisks? Does that sound fluffy? I'll probably try for a Breacher Squad also because that seems fluffy for Iron Warriors and I think the shields would look great with hazard stripes!

A Contemptor Talon is pretty good. I usually run one. As for Transports, Rhino's will work for the support squads and such. For Termies (Non Tyrant) I would recommend the Spartan (It's a beast!)
I would go for Legion Medusa's over Basilisk's. Rapiers with Quad Mortar's or Laser Destroyers are nice. For Iron Warriors fluffy is artillery and infantry. Breacher squads would be good to have, they're ok in a regular game but are great in Zone Mortalis.

Now, I don't know your play style, but this I feel is pretty solid. Glad to see another Iron Warrior
Hope the advice is useful

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
Welcome to 30k Kris
The list you've made sounds good, but here's what I recommend you make.

Praetor with Cataphractii (Can convert into a Warsmith)
---This will be good for one of the IW RoW (Allows 4 HS slots)
Siege Breaker Consul (PA HQ)
---This will work quite well with the rest of the list, recommend putting with Termies
5 Terminators (Will need Cyclone missiles for each)
---Turn these into Tyrant Seige Terminators, very solid choice for IW
40 Infantry
---The 2x 15 man infantry squads are solid for now, give the Sarg Artificer Armor and give the squad a Nuncio Vox.
---With the remaining troops the % Spec and 5 Heavy is good idea.
---For Specials, give them volkite, Chargers if you want them up front, Calivers if you want them sitting back.
---For Heavies I would recommend Missile Launchers

Now, I don't know your play style, but this I feel is pretty solid. Glad to see another Iron Warrior
Hope the advice is useful

Thanks! This is exactly what I was hoping for.

For the specials, I currently only have what came with BaC (and an extra Tac Squad)... namely 4x Flamers, Plasma Guns and Meltaguns. Are any of these ok, or should I bite the bullet and order special weapons from Forgeworld? I'd like to avoid the extra expense, and can always order later when I decide to expand the army.

Should I bother with giving the Tactical Sarges a Power Sword, or should I just stick with Bolters?

so, for your tactical squad: go for the artificer armor at the very least, special weapons if you want some fun.
As for rhinos they are still rhinos, though they don't have half of the bonuses they have in 40k: remember that 30k is still largely like 6th edition, so only troops are scoring (and terminators + vet tactical squads.)

as for your list + special weapons:

I'd bite the bullet and pick up some forge world options: the weapon kits don't tend to break the bank and they will help you out a lot more as:
1) as Iron warriors you want hard hitting range
2) there is always that risk of enemy vehicles buying melta immunity

Here's what I'd build:

HQ:
Praetor w/ cataphractii, Paragon blade (if you're up for some converting), chain (or power) fist, possible upgrade with the Warsmith special rules (when you need it
Console (seige breaker OR master of signal) w/ power weapon, artificer armor, plasma pistol

TROOPS:
15-man tactical squad w/ Vexilia + Vox, extra CCWs
- Sergeant w/ artificer, combi-weapon, power weapon
15-man tactical squad w/ Vexilia + Vox, extra CCWs
- Sergeant w/ artificer, combi-weapon, power weapon
5-man Support Squad w/ Either plasma or volkite (plasma for distraction carnifex + anti terminator. Volkite for anti infantry)
- Rhino (if you go plasma since they will be a bullet sponge. Volkite could benefit if you go for the volkite assault gun over the heavy volkite gun they can take)

ELITE:
Contemptor talon:
-Contemptor w/ Kheres, fist, inbuilt melta (or graviton), Havoc launcher
-Contemptor w/ whatever is on him, havoc launcher

HEAVY SUPPORT:
5 Tyrand Seige Terminators (you will need to convert some Cyclone missiles OR use the contemptor missile launchers as they work PERFECTLY for this)
5 Iron Havocs (or Heavy support squad, they look the same) w/ Missile launchers or Autocannons


From this base it gives you plenty of room to expand, and in multiple directions. as I mentioned 30k isn't about cheese, and as such nearly every unit available is good or at the very least has a use/is fun to play with. I would look into what theme you wanted to go for and start marching that way. 5 more Seige Termiantors, a 3 vehicle artillery squadron, and then some more infantry or a few more tanks would be pretty good options. Another thing that works well is some allied Mechanicum or bringing the console that lets you take certain battle-automata as troops. Another good option to look at is bringing a few apothecaries (up to 3 in 1 elite slot) as they are fairly cheap and add a lot to your tactical squads (durability, a sergreant stat line (so you can use your sergeant up front to eat bullets), and a 5 pt. upgrade to give the squad interceptor for units that land within 18")

 Brennonjw wrote:
so, for your tactical squad: go for the artificer armor at the very least, special weapons if you want some fun.
As for rhinos they are still rhinos, though they don't have half of the bonuses they have in 40k: remember that 30k is still largely like 6th edition, so only troops are scoring (and terminators + vet tactical squads.)

as for your list + special weapons:

I'd bite the bullet and pick up some forge world options: the weapon kits don't tend to break the bank and they will help you out a lot more as:
1) as Iron warriors you want hard hitting range
2) there is always that risk of enemy vehicles buying melta immunity

Here's what I'd build:

HQ:
Praetor w/ cataphractii, Paragon blade (if you're up for some converting), chain (or power) fist, possible upgrade with the Warsmith special rules (when you need it
Console (seige breaker OR master of signal) w/ power weapon, artificer armor, plasma pistol

TROOPS:
15-man tactical squad w/ Vexilia + Vox, extra CCWs
- Sergeant w/ artificer, combi-weapon, power weapon
15-man tactical squad w/ Vexilia + Vox, extra CCWs
- Sergeant w/ artificer, combi-weapon, power weapon
5-man Support Squad w/ Either plasma or volkite (plasma for distraction carnifex + anti terminator. Volkite for anti infantry)
- Rhino (if you go plasma since they will be a bullet sponge. Volkite could benefit if you go for the volkite assault gun over the heavy volkite gun they can take)

ELITE:
Contemptor talon:
-Contemptor w/ Kheres, fist, inbuilt melta (or graviton), Havoc launcher
-Contemptor w/ whatever is on him, havoc launcher

HEAVY SUPPORT:
5 Tyrand Seige Terminators (you will need to convert some Cyclone missiles OR use the contemptor missile launchers as they work PERFECTLY for this)
5 Iron Havocs (or Heavy support squad, they look the same) w/ Missile launchers or Autocannons


From this base it gives you plenty of room to expand, and in multiple directions. as I mentioned 30k isn't about cheese, and as such nearly every unit available is good or at the very least has a use/is fun to play with. I would look into what theme you wanted to go for and start marching that way. 5 more Seige Termiantors, a 3 vehicle artillery squadron, and then some more infantry or a few more tanks would be pretty good options. Another thing that works well is some allied Mechanicum or bringing the console that lets you take certain battle-automata as troops. Another good option to look at is bringing a few apothecaries (up to 3 in 1 elite slot) as they are fairly cheap and add a lot to your tactical squads (durability, a sergreant stat line (so you can use your sergeant up front to eat bullets), and a 5 pt. upgrade to give the squad interceptor for units that land within 18")

I think I'm going to formalize this into a list and start working on it. I just checked Forgeworld's site and can't believe how expensive the Contemptor Cyclone Missile Launchers are! 9.50 GBP each!!!

 Kriswall wrote:

 Brennonjw wrote:
so, for your tactical squad: go for the artificer armor at the very least, special weapons if you want some fun.
As for rhinos they are still rhinos, though they don't have half of the bonuses they have in 40k: remember that 30k is still largely like 6th edition, so only troops are scoring (and terminators + vet tactical squads.)

as for your list + special weapons:

I'd bite the bullet and pick up some forge world options: the weapon kits don't tend to break the bank and they will help you out a lot more as:
1) as Iron warriors you want hard hitting range
2) there is always that risk of enemy vehicles buying melta immunity

Here's what I'd build:

HQ:
Praetor w/ cataphractii, Paragon blade (if you're up for some converting), chain (or power) fist, possible upgrade with the Warsmith special rules (when you need it
Console (seige breaker OR master of signal) w/ power weapon, artificer armor, plasma pistol

TROOPS:
15-man tactical squad w/ Vexilia + Vox, extra CCWs
- Sergeant w/ artificer, combi-weapon, power weapon
15-man tactical squad w/ Vexilia + Vox, extra CCWs
- Sergeant w/ artificer, combi-weapon, power weapon
5-man Support Squad w/ Either plasma or volkite (plasma for distraction carnifex + anti terminator. Volkite for anti infantry)
- Rhino (if you go plasma since they will be a bullet sponge. Volkite could benefit if you go for the volkite assault gun over the heavy volkite gun they can take)

ELITE:
Contemptor talon:
-Contemptor w/ Kheres, fist, inbuilt melta (or graviton), Havoc launcher
-Contemptor w/ whatever is on him, havoc launcher

HEAVY SUPPORT:
5 Tyrand Seige Terminators (you will need to convert some Cyclone missiles OR use the contemptor missile launchers as they work PERFECTLY for this)
5 Iron Havocs (or Heavy support squad, they look the same) w/ Missile launchers or Autocannons


From this base it gives you plenty of room to expand, and in multiple directions. as I mentioned 30k isn't about cheese, and as such nearly every unit available is good or at the very least has a use/is fun to play with. I would look into what theme you wanted to go for and start marching that way. 5 more Seige Termiantors, a 3 vehicle artillery squadron, and then some more infantry or a few more tanks would be pretty good options. Another thing that works well is some allied Mechanicum or bringing the console that lets you take certain battle-automata as troops. Another good option to look at is bringing a few apothecaries (up to 3 in 1 elite slot) as they are fairly cheap and add a lot to your tactical squads (durability, a sergreant stat line (so you can use your sergeant up front to eat bullets), and a 5 pt. upgrade to give the squad interceptor for units that land within 18")

I think I'm going to formalize this into a list and start working on it. I just checked Forgeworld's site and can't believe how expensive the Contemptor Cyclone Missile Launchers are! 9.50 GBP each!!!

I'm in the same boat as you in putting together an Iron warriors force from a couple of Calth boxes. I ordered a few "Blizzard" launchers from Spellcrow. Not arrived yet, but they look like they can do the job hopefully!

Good call and cheap. Anvil Industry makes a shoulder/vehicle mount missile launcher that looks nicer, but costs more. I'm torn. 9.50 GBP from Forgeworld is insane. 3.50 GBP from Anvil Industry is better. 2 EUR per from Spellcrow is super cheap, but I don't like the visuals quite as much.

http://anvilindustry.co.uk/The-Armoury/Shoulder-Missile-Launcher

Spellcrow may win out based on sheer price. With current exchange rates, theirs are about 2.25 USD each. Anvil Industry works out to about 5.04 USD each and Forgeworld is about 13.68 USD. Forgeworld pricing is just crazy when most of their third party competitors have better quality control.

These might be good conversion parts for an Iron Warriors army...

http://anvilindustry.co.uk/Exo-Lords/Heads-helmets-crests/Grill-Heads
http://anvilindustry.co.uk/Exo-Lords/Exo-Lord-Bionics/Mech-Arm
http://anvilindustry.co.uk/Exo-Lords/Exo-Lord-Bionics/Exo-Lord-Bionic-Rifle-Arms

So many decisions!

I agree on most of the above, though Vexila is a bit of a waste on a smaller IW force, you don't take LD from shooting, and most of the time when you lose in CC you're rolling for snake eyes anyways.

Personally I am not big on SWSs, and prefer Heavy Support squads. I would do 10 with HB if you want to keep them cheap, but swap out the normal bolters for shattershard shells to get a bit of much elusive pinning.

I also like Havocs with either ML or Auto cannons, I prefer the ML because 10 of them have a decent shot at wrecking AV14 vehicles with their inbuilt tankhunter (and then you laugh at your opponent for shelling out for Ceramic Plating)

 More Dakka wrote:
I agree on most of the above, though Vexila is a bit of a waste on a smaller IW force, you don't take LD from shooting, and most of the time when you lose in CC you're rolling for snake eyes anyways.

Personally I am not big on SWSs, and prefer Heavy Support squads. I would do 10 with HB if you want to keep them cheap, but swap out the normal bolters for shattershard shells to get a bit of much elusive pinning.

I also like Havocs with either ML or Auto cannons, I prefer the ML because 10 of them have a decent shot at wrecking AV14 vehicles with their inbuilt tankhunter (and then you laugh at your opponent for shelling out for Ceramic Plating)

I'm not sure I agree on the vexillias. Once your srgt. is down in an extended fight, that reroll will be lovely. I kinda agree on Support squads though. I'm not the biggest fan, and the core reason I use one is because my DG have shredding flamers

I'll put together an official list later tonight and get you guys to critique it for me. I think for things like the Vexillas, I'll probably have some points wiggle room for now, so will probably go ahead and throw them in.

I am so going to buy 100 of those Anvil missile launchers.....

Kris, I suggest taking a look at the new Iron Fire RoW from Book 6 if your going to be grabbing some artillery. Makes Barrage weapons only scatter d6 if in range (12" iirc) of any model with the Legiones Astartes (Iron Warriors) special rule. Then, once the blast scatters, you place a token in the center. When within 6" (might be 5 but I believe it was six) your models with Legiones Astartes are FEARLESS (Great in a game where ATSKNF doesn't exist ) and if another Barrage weapon is fired in range of both a Token and a Legiones Astartes unit it doesn't scatter AT ALL. Tokens last until you have a turn (or shooting phase, I don't quite remember off the top of my head) without firing a barrage weapon. Only restrictions are that you must be on the Attack if you play an Attack\Defence mission, and no legion allies iirc. Oh, and traitor only. It's super cool, and can work well for a small starting legion as it allows for just a few add-ons to an infantry force to do a ton of damage .

 Swampmist wrote:
Kris, I suggest taking a look at the new Iron Fire RoW from Book 6 if your going to be grabbing some artillery. Makes Barrage weapons only scatter d6 if in range (12" iirc) of any model with the Legiones Astartes (Iron Warriors) special rule. Then, once the blast scatters, you place a token in the center. When within 6" (might be 5 but I believe it was six) your models with Legiones Astartes are FEARLESS (Great in a game where ATSKNF doesn't exist ) and if another Barrage weapon is fired in range of both a Token and a Legiones Astartes unit it doesn't scatter AT ALL. Tokens last until you have a turn (or shooting phase, I don't quite remember off the top of my head) without firing a barrage weapon. Only restrictions are that you must be on the Attack if you play an Attack\Defence mission, and no legion allies iirc. Oh, and traitor only. It's super cool, and can work well for a small starting legion as it allows for just a few add-ons to an infantry force to do a ton of damage .

That sounds amazing. I'll definitely check that out. I'm still waiting for some of the books to show up. I REALLY wish they sold eBook versions. I don't mind physical copies, but the fancy, hard bound rule books don't do anything for me. I also wish they had a US distributor... even an in house one.

I did get the Terminators assembled last night. They're just waiting on their Cyclone Missile Launchers, which are on order. I'll be trying to crank out at least 15 of the Bolter Marines over the weekend. The goal is to have all of the Betrayal at Calth models fully assembled and primed within two weeks.

 Swampmist wrote:
Kris, I suggest taking a look at the new Iron Fire RoW from Book 6 if your going to be grabbing some artillery. Makes Barrage weapons only scatter d6 if in range (12" iirc) of any model with the Legiones Astartes (Iron Warriors) special rule. Then, once the blast scatters, you place a token in the center. When within 6" (might be 5 but I believe it was six) your models with Legiones Astartes are FEARLESS (Great in a game where ATSKNF doesn't exist ) and if another Barrage weapon is fired in range of both a Token and a Legiones Astartes unit it doesn't scatter AT ALL. Tokens last until you have a turn (or shooting phase, I don't quite remember off the top of my head) without firing a barrage weapon. Only restrictions are that you must be on the Attack if you play an Attack\Defence mission, and no legion allies iirc. Oh, and traitor only. It's super cool, and can work well for a small starting legion as it allows for just a few add-ons to an infantry force to do a ton of damage .

I feel like this would work with massed artillery and Breacher Squads

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:

 Swampmist wrote:
Kris, I suggest taking a look at the new Iron Fire RoW from Book 6 if your going to be grabbing some artillery. Makes Barrage weapons only scatter d6 if in range (12" iirc) of any model with the Legiones Astartes (Iron Warriors) special rule. Then, once the blast scatters, you place a token in the center. When within 6" (might be 5 but I believe it was six) your models with Legiones Astartes are FEARLESS (Great in a game where ATSKNF doesn't exist ) and if another Barrage weapon is fired in range of both a Token and a Legiones Astartes unit it doesn't scatter AT ALL. Tokens last until you have a turn (or shooting phase, I don't quite remember off the top of my head) without firing a barrage weapon. Only restrictions are that you must be on the Attack if you play an Attack\Defence mission, and no legion allies iirc. Oh, and traitor only. It's super cool, and can work well for a small starting legion as it allows for just a few add-ons to an infantry force to do a ton of damage .

I feel like this would work with massed artillery and Breacher Squads

I'm currently exploring options for Breacher Squads. I like the Forgeworld ones, but would rather not have to pay for resin bodies when I have cheap and plentiful plastic ones available. Any suggestions?

 Kriswall wrote:

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:

 Swampmist wrote:
Kris, I suggest taking a look at the new Iron Fire RoW from Book 6 if your going to be grabbing some artillery. Makes Barrage weapons only scatter d6 if in range (12" iirc) of any model with the Legiones Astartes (Iron Warriors) special rule. Then, once the blast scatters, you place a token in the center. When within 6" (might be 5 but I believe it was six) your models with Legiones Astartes are FEARLESS (Great in a game where ATSKNF doesn't exist ) and if another Barrage weapon is fired in range of both a Token and a Legiones Astartes unit it doesn't scatter AT ALL. Tokens last until you have a turn (or shooting phase, I don't quite remember off the top of my head) without firing a barrage weapon. Only restrictions are that you must be on the Attack if you play an Attack\Defence mission, and no legion allies iirc. Oh, and traitor only. It's super cool, and can work well for a small starting legion as it allows for just a few add-ons to an infantry force to do a ton of damage .

I feel like this would work with massed artillery and Breacher Squads

I'm currently exploring options for Breacher Squads. I like the Forgeworld ones, but would rather not have to pay for resin bodies when I have cheap and plentiful plastic ones available. Any suggestions?

You could use regular tac marines and put plasticard rectangles with green stuff

I'll have to do some research. I do really like the look of the official Breacher shields, but it's always going to be an issue of cost and availability. I live in the US and ordering and then waiting for a shipment from the UK is always a pain. If the local store sold Forgeworld or could even order it, I'd probably have done so by now.

 Kriswall wrote:
I'll have to do some research. I do really like the look of the official Breacher shields, but it's always going to be an issue of cost and availability. I live in the US and ordering and then waiting for a shipment from the UK is always a pain. If the local store sold Forgeworld or could even order it, I'd probably have done so by now.

GW should be able to order FW, but that would make sense so they can't. It would not please the Greater Daemon of Retail.

You could always check Ebay to see if someone is selling them.

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:
I'll have to do some research. I do really like the look of the official Breacher shields, but it's always going to be an issue of cost and availability. I live in the US and ordering and then waiting for a shipment from the UK is always a pain. If the local store sold Forgeworld or could even order it, I'd probably have done so by now.

GW should be able to order FW, but that would make sense so they can't. It would not please the Greater Daemon of Retail.

You could always check Ebay to see if someone is selling them.

eBay always has lots of auctions available from resellers in China and Russia. The pricing is good for what I assume are obvious reasons to any savvy shopper, but the main issue is that I just don't want the bodies. Even with good pricing, I'm paying for bodies I don't want. I might just convert up a couple of shields and then cast them myself.

I was going to say to see if you can find just the shields online. But if you want, you can try to convert up a Shield with the IW logo on it, that would be pretty cool

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
I was going to say to see if you can find just the shields online. But if you want, you can try to convert up a Shield with the IW logo on it, that would be pretty cool

That's sort of my plan. I'm somewhat decent with 3D design work. I'm garbage with organic shapes, but a shield isn't organic! I might spend the weekend mocking something up and trying to get it printed via Shapeways. If I do that, I can have the little gun cutout and a proper Iron Warriors Legion mark. I'd even be able to do sculpted hazard stripes to make painting easier.

I just wish I had one for size and dimension comparisons.

Also, for any time you take a Blast-weapon heavy army (like with IronFire,) try for the Warlord trait that gives d3 units with blast and template weapons shred. Shredding Phosphex Mortars, Medusae and MoS Bombardments? Pretty sweet

A pretty cool tactic with Iron Fire:

Perturabo
Terminators
Command Rhino
Artillery.

The command Rhino gives re-rolls reserves. On turn 1 you can re-roll reserves to teleport some terminators in with no-scatter within 24'' of the rhino. If you deploy forward you can get pretty close to the enemy, probably within 6''.

Than the fun begins, you can firstly fire some weapon that is not to dangerous to the terminators (like scorpius whirlwind). After you get a counter, destroy the area near it with Perturabo's bombardment, the rhino's strike and any other artillery you (should) have.

Not sure if someone said it, but that Praetor is can actually be used as one of the Iron Warriors special characters. Eremus Golog or something like that.

Convert the 5 termies into Tyrant Seige Termies. You can get the bits by ordering the cyclon missle launchers off ebay or useing 3rd party bits.

Our Tyrants are just to good to ignore.

I also would consider converting the dread's storm bolter to other a melta-gun or plasma gun. Just helps gives abit of extra punch if you want to pop a rhino and charge the dudes inside. Or give you some AP2 in a pinch.

I personally run hammer of olympia were you need 3 core troop choices for my iron warriors, but the benafits are nice. I run 3 ten man squads with bolter/CCW in rhinos with heavy flamers. The free extra armour on all tanks and 4 Heavy support slots synergize well with the mechanized tac squads. Some times I will run 2 mechanized tac squads and a 20 man on foot with apothecary+defensive line for a better objective camper. So consider ordering a extra 10 dudes off ebay from people breaking up the set.

As for heavy support choices, as long as it's a tank it's a good choice. multiple preds or vindi's are nice, and can be converted with their 30k options from the plastic kits quite easily.

Anvil industry CML are great, I got 5 from there and 5 from Poland. Anvil were far superior. They also have a Techmarine upgrade back you can get, 5 arms and back pack which works well for converting a couple IWs into Warsmiths. IIRC it tool 2-3 weeks to get state side.

 FeindusMaximus wrote:
Anvil industry CML are great, I got 5 from there and 5 from Poland. Anvil were far superior. They also have a Techmarine upgrade back you can get, 5 arms and back pack which works well for converting a couple IWs into Warsmiths. IIRC it tool 2-3 weeks to get state side.

I totally ordered from Anvil Industry. Their stuff is amazing. Not a single mold line to be seen. Here are my Tyrant Siege Terminators in all their missile toting glory. I just need sand added to the bases and I can prime. I ordered the Techmarine backpack too. I'll totally be making some Warsmiths/Forge Lords/Techmarines. One of the arms looks very much like a Narthecium. I might have to make an Apothecary with a backback mounted Narthecium.

That looks amazing! Great work!