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So this is what I'm thinking. It's built as such as this is what I own. I'm returning to the daemons codex, so some of these choices might not be optimal as its been a while and I've just got my hands on the wulfen book. So help/advice on what powers to roll for and relics to go for would be appreciated.

Tetrad
Khorne Prince, wings, armour of scorn, 2 greater, 1 lesser 280pts
Tzeench Prince, wings, armour, ML3, 2 greater, 1 lesser, soul bane 370pts
Slannesh Prince, wings, armour, ML3, 2 greater, 1 lesser, soul stealer (thought about the mark of excess) 360pts
Nurgle Prince, wings, armour, ML3, 2 greater, 1 lesser, corruption 370pts

CAD - chaos daemons
Be'Lakor
Nurglings 4 bases
Nurglings 4 bases

It's 1850 points. I'll be running it soon. But I could with your guys help to tinker with it. Also, I don't really want to be summoning. So cursed earth is unlikely. I'm feeling telepathy and biomancy, but I like the new powers trees in the codex. I'm thinking Tzeench prince as warlord as all but the number 6 seem decent. Help!!!

Be'lakor is a lot of points for what he does in this list. I would swap out Be'lakor and the bloodletters to fill out the daemonic incursion detachment.


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Also why no robes on the Tzeentch prince?

You can't run an Allied Detachment with the same faction as your primary detachment. In order to run Be'lakor you either need a Daemons CAD or a CSM Allied Detachment. Most lean towards the Daemons CAD with Nurglings and/or pink horrors.

This seems to be one of the popular builds for the Tetrad, the other being to not use be'lakor and instead throw them in a Daemonic Incursion. I'm not sure which is best since I'm still building mine and haven't tested it yet, but I think it should synergize well with his automatic shrouding and invis.

I would definitely drop the armour off of the tzeentch prince and give him the impossible robes. It will be pretty easy to get him go a 2++ rerollable with that.

UncleanOne wrote:
You can't run an Allied Detachment with the same faction as your primary detachment. In order to run Be'lakor you either need a Daemons CAD or a CSM Allied Detachment. Most lean towards the Daemons CAD with Nurglings and/or pink horrors.

This seems to be one of the popular builds for the Tetrad, the other being to not use be'lakor and instead throw them in a Daemonic Incursion. I'm not sure which is best since I'm still building mine and haven't tested it yet, but I think it should synergize well with his automatic shrouding and invis.

I would definitely drop the armour off of the tzeentch prince and give him the impossible robes. It will be pretty easy to get him go a 2++ rerollable with that.

And this is why I love dakka. How on earth I missed that I don't know. I'd imagine I'll switch to a CAD. I think I'd rather try that then a full daemonic incursion. I'll have to play with points.

What is wrong with the daemonic incursion?

Nothing at all is wrong with it. I just want to add Be'Lakor in there.

So, I think I'd like some horrors. But the points is heavy. Double nurglings for objective campers?!

Could you post the points of each prince so we can see what we're working with, I don't have my codex on me.

Yes of course. I'm going to update the first post with the new list. And we can go from there.

Here is what I would change in your list:

Tetrad
Khorne Prince, wings, armour of scorn, 2 greater 270pts
Tzeench Prince, wings, ML3, Impossible robes, 1 lesser 310pts
Slaanesh Prince, wings, armour, ML3, 2 greater, soul stealer (thought about the mark of excess) 350pts
Nurgle Prince, wings, armour, ML3, 2 greater, corruption 360pts
-1300pts

CAD - chaos daemons
Be'Lakor 350pts
Pink horrors (11) 99pts
Pink horrors (11) 99pts
-548pts

-1848pts

I took the lesser rewards of your princes (they are nice but not necessary) and I took off your buffs to your Tzeentch prince in favour of the robes (seriously the robes are great!).
This list now gives you 16WC to play with rather than 12WC. Now I know you really don't want to summon but look how lonely those pink horrors are! It would be cruel not to summon them some friends!

I think you can fit some horrors in if you:

1. Get rid of Corruption on the Nurgle Prince. I think the Balesword is better in a lot of situations.

2. Remove a unit of Nurglings (to replace them with Horrors)

3. Reduce the other unit of Nurglings back down to 3 bases.

I think that gives you the points for 11 horrors. More warp charges, and you can make them roll on Daemonology. Even if you don't plan on making summoning your main thing it's helpful to have a back up plan unless you're playing Kill Points.

See, in my previous daemons experience the double greater rewards are almost vital to them. Do you really think it would be worth losing them?

As for the balesword, I would almost always agree with you. But with the sheer number of wraithknights I see running around I'm not sure I can give up corruption. The balesword is poisoned 4+....meaning it wounds wraithknights on a 6. And then instant death only grants it D3 wounds. Corruption is wounding it every single time he hits. And with his superior weapon skill and re rolling 1's he should get a lot of hits....

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
See, in my previous daemons experience the double greater rewards are almost vital to them. Do you really think it would be worth losing them?

The Khorne, Slaanesh and Nurgle princes definitely need the double greater rewards but I find that the Tzeentch prince doesn't need them, especially if you can give him a 2++ re-rollable.

I think double greaters are worth it.

I think the balesword has a higher overall chance to wound due to instant death on the wraith knight.

Nurgle Prince is wounding on 5's (S7). So each hit is 1/3 chance of 1+D3 wounds which is an average of 3 wounds total (also negates FNP). That means every 3 hits you land will cause 3 wounds on average.

Corruption is 3 wounds for every 3 hits as well, but FNP will save 1/3 of them.

If you get Iron Arm or Fleshbane/Armourbane Greater Reward the Balesword get even better.

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
Khorne Prince, wings, armour of scorn, 2 greater, 1 lesser 280pts
Tzeench Prince, wings, armour, ML3, 2 greater, 1 lesser, soul bane 370pts
Slannesh Prince, wings, armour, ML3, 2 greater, 1 lesser, soul stealer (thought about the mark of excess) 360pts
Nurgle Prince, wings, armour, ML3, 2 greater, 1 lesser, corruption 370pts!

The impossible robe on the Tzeentch prince is the best item for him. It's very easy to get that down to a 2+ rerollable save. Even with ITC rules, it makes the prince nearly impossible to kill.

If wraithknights are a big problem then corruption may be the way to go. Remember to also take the axe of khorne for your khorne prince, so it will also ID on 6s. Remember to make the tzeentch prince STR 9 with the staff of change.

The only way to go with the decursion is to drop Be'lakor, who is a nice addition to the team.

Edit : I have a writeup of the Tetrad here, where I went into a deep dive about rewards, powers, etc...

Just read that. That's excellent thank you. Very helpful for orders to work things out. Is Tzeench widely regarded as the warlord traits to roll on? I like to try and be a bit different.

I'm swaying towards the impossible robes. But I'm not completely sold on it. Though I can see the reasons with the staff making him strength 8/9.

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
Just read that. That's excellent thank you. Very helpful for orders to work things out. Is Tzeench widely regarded as the warlord traits to roll on? I like to try and be a bit different.

I'm swaying towards the impossible robes. But I'm not completely sold on it. Though I can see the reasons with the staff making him strength 8/9.

Nurgle has some really good traits as well, but 5/6 of the Tzeentch ones are boss making it the best IMHO.

My favorite one is where all the warlords get +1 psychic level, meaning your Khorne prince becomes a level 1 psyker.

I'm assuming that trait also therefore grants more warp charge dice?

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
I'm assuming that trait also therefore grants more warp charge dice?

Each Prince would generate an extra die and also have an extra spell as their mastery level has increased.

That's useful. It'll also be funny watching a Khorne prince cast! Though I feel some of the other traits in that tree are better. I'd be fishing for +1 invulnerable every time.

Ok, I've been list tinkering. Want to know people's view on this. I'm genuinely not all that sold on the robes. Also, I have some horrors, but I can drop them for 2 more units of obsec nurglings. It means my list is 5 points short, is it worth it?! Or would the horrors serve me better?

Chaos Daemons Formation - Infernal Tetrad

Khorne Prince - Wings, Armour of scorn, 2 GR, 1 LR. 280pts
Slannesh Prince - Wings, Armour, ML3, 2 GR, 1 LR, Soulstealer. 360pts
Nurgle Prince - Wings, Armour, ML3, 2GR, Corruption. 360pts
Tzeench Prince - Wings, ML3, 2GR, 1 LR, Robes. 360pts (Likey Warlord)

Chaos Daemons Combined Arms Detachment

HQ - Be'Lakor. 350pts

Troops - Nurglings. 45pts
Troops - Pink Horrors, Upgrade to iridescent. 95pts

I've put robes on the Tzeench prince instead of the fleshbane weapon. Meaning I'm hoping for the fleshbane GR or at worst I'll take a staff. I seem to be too focussed on dropping wraithknights and I need to look at the wider variety of opponents. I've dropped the armour off of him and dropped the lesser reward off of the nurgle prince. That free'd up enough points to take the horrors. I don't know wether it's worth 3 units of nurglings for objectives, or taking the horrors for an extra warp charge and a unit that can kick out some fire.

I'm no expert on chaos, but from what I've played, plaguebearers have been the best.

Pink horrors can be worth it in some cases, spawning heralds or more horrors left right and center, or in your anti-summoning list, spamming witchfires or something. However, the amount of ML3 psykers you have will reduce your need for them crazily. However, in my experience, plaguebearers have been the ones I hate the most, as cover camping on an objective in ruins gives 'em a 2+ cover save. They're tough buggers against shooting, and the can hold their own in assault too. For these reasons I suggest them as your obligatory troop choices, unless your really want a couple more warp chances or something.

if he need PB he can summon them, for sure he need as much as WC he can get into list. at 1700pts i have 16 WC and i summon what i need during the game, if i play PB at start i have 4 WC less (i play 2x11 horrors).

 blackmage wrote:
if he need PB he can summon them, for sure he need as much as WC he can get into list. at 1700pts i have 16 WC and i summon what i need during the game, if i play PB at start i have 4 WC less (i play 2x11 horrors).

So what do you think to the list then buddy??

Looks good. Though I'd personally drop a lesser reward on either the Nurgle or slaanesh prince and get an 11th horror.


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Ok nurgle doesn't have one, so drop it off the slaanesh prince.

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:

 blackmage wrote:
if he need PB he can summon them, for sure he need as much as WC he can get into list. at 1700pts i have 16 WC and i summon what i need during the game, if i play PB at start i have 4 WC less (i play 2x11 horrors).

So what do you think to the list then buddy??

It's good i will just drop lesser on nurgle and slaanesh Dp as well corruption (balesword is better in many cases), and play 11 horrors+3 nurglins, and take off armor from Tz prince and give him impossible robe. I play same list at 1850, at 1650pts i playTZ herald and of course not be'lakor .The only two real troubles for this list was Tau with stormsurge(s) they wreak havoc on you and stomp your princes to death and gladius too much os units, the rest you can handle.

If horrors came in boxes of 11 then I'd probably drop the lesser on the slannesh prince. But since they don't, it stays. Also master crafted is quite nice if he doesn't need to regain any wounds with soul stealer.

I did wonder about plague bearers though. They were my other choice. Just feel with the horrors flickering fire they'd be more effective.

your problem is...warp charges useless try find a subsitute for horrors, if you dont want play horrors (anyway is very easy get the 11th horrors) keep use nurglings.

'Warp charges useless' how on earth is warp charges useless? Horrors might be just about the best troop choice in the daemon book. Why would I drop them?

i mean useless find a subsitute for horrors

Sorry buddy, I don't understand. Are you saying I should keep the horrors or drop them?