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I'm 100% COTGW but joined a league that's forcing me to stay with a CAD list. In this regard, what does a normal SW list look like? I'm looking at taking TWC and a squad of long fangs but what to build around that? Do you take a lot of grey hunters? Are then in transports of any kind? Im thinking at least one squad in a razorback with the las/plas turret and another squad in a DP with a meltagun. But that's only like 300 points, not nearly enough to fill out a list. Anyone still taking blood claws? Probably not with that WS of 3, and no I'm not taking Ulrik... Well maybe I could take Ulrik and a 15 man squad in a land raider? I dunno let me know what y'all think...

10-strong GH squads with double plasmas are a good core and TWC are a staple. Aside from that, maybe a 3-strong Predator squadrom (2 autolas, 1 with just the auto) to add some long-ranged antitank?

Blood Claws are ok if you factor they contain extra wounds. IE they are point for point as good as grey hunters (you get more blood claws, same armour etc worse dmg out put but more models therfore more durable)

I am building a CAD based fun mech wolf list at the moment.

It's 2 land raiders, 3 razorbacks with twin linked Las canon, a triple Las canon predator , a Las canon dread naught plus blood claws min squads and 1x 5 Las canon log fangs. 1x 5missle fangs Basically it's 23 hull points plus an insane amout of Las canon mostly twin linked.

Oh and I put 3 man terminators squad in one of the land raiders

I might adapt it to make better use like I say I am mulling it over at the moment. Might take 10 man grey hunters with ccw and bolters and bolt pistols with no upgrades: for cheap dump n pump.


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When it comes to space wolf CAD there is one perceived wisdom.

Boys before toys.

You can basically make 5 squads of 10 grey hunters with a terminator leading them all in drop pods plus some dead drop pods to hold objectives and give you more first turn wallop.

I've never done this type of list but I've seen it done. The idea is to basically take a metric tonne of blood claws and grey hunters (cos they are cheap) and give them melta guns and melta bombs etc and let them rampage over everything. Maybe the odd small terminator squad of two. The sheer volume of attacks is what you are going for. It takes a lot for anyone to kill 10 marines in a go. So if you can have 50 or 60 on the board all able to sort of do various things all with ob sec you start to see the pattern.

Hmm I do like the idea of a lot of grey hunters, maybe 2 smaller squads in drop pods with melta guns and a third 10 man squad to come in turn 2 to hold an objective...

I go with MSUs of Grey Hunters with special weapons (either Melta Gun or Plasma Gun depending on the target they're designated against) in drop pods for Troops. Longfangs in Heavy Support (with 2 different weapons in each squad) and Stormshield Wolf Lord with some TWCs.

Not the most inspired of builds but gets the job done.

Lol exactly, not much "dominance" with a CAD but I could have fun with it, I think the multiple grey hunter approach supported by TWC and log fangs is the way to go. Once the games ramp up in points maybe I'll add in a squad of terminators too

I have been having a lot of success with Arjac and a min unit of TDAWG, 2 with combi weapons and storm shields and the pack leader with TH/SS, stuck in a FA drop pod.

Very reasonably priced for a scalpel unit (your combis and Arjac's S10 hammer toss) that becomes a huge thorn in the side of your opponent if not dealt with immediately.

Stick the combis out front so they can act as bullet sponges for Arjac and the pack leader.

For GH I have really enjoyed either the plasma bomb (2x Plasma guns, plasma pistol, WG with combi-plas) in a pod for 7 shots on the drop, or the MSU version with a TDAWG leader using combi-weapon/SS (and melta bombs if you have the spare points), really helps with survivability if you stick him up front on the drop.

BC are also pretty solid now for their points.

Naked Twolves are my fav right now, so inexpensive and so much damage with a decent roll.

Wulfen. You can still take them in CADs and they this get that awesome role on the Hunt Table for your TWC, BCs and GHs.

Also, I'll second GHs with a pair of Specials. Combi WGPLs are kinda expensive for the job. As is a Plasma Pistol. But flamer Teams I'd advise it. Your rarely flamer something twice.

I haven't tried out the Wulfen yet, actually a GREAT idea.

Man a 10 man GH squad with x2 plasmas in a DP is 205 points, I can get a 6 man squad with a plasma gun in a Razorback with a las/plas turret for 169. What is the better value?

Really depends on the rest of your army. I.e. do you need the pod to have an uneven number? Do you need them to be in the enemyies face T1 to divert from your approaching TWC/Wulfen?
How many other tanks do you have? A lone Razorback tends to die quickly.

So Grey Hunters and Blood Claws with special weapons supported by Thunderwolves is pretty viable? Does it have to be MSU?

How necessary are the new Wulfen? I like the concept, loathe the new models...

People's opinions seem to range from very good to OP to the worst thing ever.

In versatility terms I would say grey hunters are a top troop choice, however in the same breath they can be pricy and I don't always see them getting their points back. 14 pts/model +2 for a CC weapon... for 2 more points a model just take wolf guard and you get +1 attack and +1 LD.

However, this is a CAD list so I need troops, and in response to Ragnar69 I've got 3 units in the list right now, keeping them cheaper side, x2 razorbacks with a 6 man squad inside with a plasma to pop out and add more fire when needed and 1 - 6 man squad in a DP with melta and WG w/ combi melta for any first turn tank popping.

I think in a CAD list it will be more my goal to try to shoot it out with the enemy for a few turns as I slowly move up the table. i.e. razorbacks moving 6" forward shooting the las/plas, long fangs firing their missile launchers, while my TWC go from cover to cover.

I think the other CAD option that might work is taking the wulfen and foot slogging my units forward. Swapping out a razorback is 5 more GH or 6 BC i.e. looking for a 4-5 on the hunt table as they charge forward. I'm not ballzy enough for this tactic though...

• TWC: have your warlord in them, Wolf Claws are amazing, be sure to take advantage of the WGBL/Lords I5, do 2:5 ratio with SS w/ Characters.

• Ulrik leading combi-plasma Wolf Guard elites is amazing. Heavy in pts, so put them as center piece as they'll use themselves up initially then likely absorb fire, leaving your ever-useful units another turn or two survival.

• Wulfen, in a pod, an auto include. Be sure to take advantage of their i5 w/ great axes - s8 is no joke. And, you'll wanna unleash their attacks prior to being slain in cc, so they'll strike some more before falling. As interesting as SS/TH may be, I personally don't see it making them more useful throughout a game, they'll neeeed to make CC and hopefully twice, but when they do they absolutely rule.

• Iron Priests are amazing - on wolves, with wolves, they rule. Get on into your TWC unit, and let the puppies 4+ LoS mitigate wounds, and since they're characters you can 2+ LoS wounds being dealt to your HQ's to them even 6" away rather than the closest model. 5pts tempest hammer? Oh yes pls.

• you'll not be able to throw in Terminator armour to your 10-man GH squads if you're thinking of putting them in any transport less amazing than a Storm Wolf or Land Raider sadly, as rhino/razorback disallow it and it's bulky which prevents drop pods from having that 11th slot they'd require... I personally go less men with a terminator w/ combi to still have the dual shots (I prefer plasma, but that's just me) and roll SS instead of power weapons as I face ridiculous amounts of ap2 and deny cover.

• that ^ being said, people find much success in going full out 10 man squads as they'll get dual special weapons, and a combi seems worth it to me. Adding that 15pts plasma pistol honestly does feel good to roll, 7 plasma dice from a pod.... does good work, however pricey it may be. ESPECIALLY when dropped near ulrik.

• if you're allowed to include formations, being that your primary detachment is CAD, wyrdstorm brotherhood would add some punch and cc to your GH's... VERY worth!

• BC's are definitely worth, like imperial guard wounds are worth. Having them die instead of other stuff works decently, if they meet combat they can slap anything numb with the sheer amount of attacks they get - nearly bezerkers! I use them in a razorback adding a Wyrdstorm rune priest when going Iron Wolves.

We don't really have a wonderful CAD, ours is in brutalizing the CotGW and formations... if you're allowed to add stuff, then certainly do so - otherwise in my honest opinion the majority of our codex just isn't as worth as we'd like.

Formations is a no-go as well?