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Hey everyone, im trying to make a glaze and water is just not working the way i want it to, whats a good alternative to the Lahniem medium for making glazes out of GW paints?

Thanks again guys!

Vallejo make one or try mixing in a little gloss varnish (you can matte varnish afterwards once all is dry).

 bubber wrote:
Vallejo make one or try mixing in a little gloss varnish (you can matte varnish afterwards once all is dry).

Now will this thin the paint as well?

From what i understand the Lahmian medium is just a clear paint, so, when making a glaze with the GW stuff it should keep the same viscosity right?

The issue im having is im trying to make a glaze out of Zamesi Desert, right now im using water, to get a super thin glaze, but it just sort of runs all over the place. Will the Liquidex matte medium effect the viscosity of the paint to an extreme like water does?


Im trying to see if i can find a medium that will create a glaze, but not change the viscosity to that of water, and not use the lahmian medium because its so pricey

Just water is normally fine to do a glaze.

If your glaze is running, it's because you've got too much on your brush. Try wicking some off onto a paper towel or napkin before touching the brush to the model. You should quickly get an idea for how much to load the brush.

What you're aiming for is a thin, even, translucent coat that dries very quickly. It honestly is more about the application than any other factor.

You can use a medium, but you will incur an increased drying time and greater risk of 'lift' if you recoat too soon.

TLDR: Glaze is a technique, not a particular paint consistency. Load less, apply evenly.

Adding a little hand or dish soap to water helps too.

 Backspacehacker wrote:

 bubber wrote:
Vallejo make one or try mixing in a little gloss varnish (you can matte varnish afterwards once all is dry).

Now will this thin the paint as well?

From what i understand the Lahmian medium is just a clear paint, so, when making a glaze with the GW stuff it should keep the same viscosity right?

The issue im having is im trying to make a glaze out of Zamesi Desert, right now im using water, to get a super thin glaze, but it just sort of runs all over the place. Will the Liquidex matte medium effect the viscosity of the paint to an extreme like water does?


Im trying to see if i can find a medium that will create a glaze, but not change the viscosity to that of water, and not use the lahmian medium because its so pricey

I think you are bit out of luck. Glazes are suppose to be very thin, therefore they will run like water. It sounds like you are loading to much on your brush.

 Snoopdeville3 wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:

 bubber wrote:
Vallejo make one or try mixing in a little gloss varnish (you can matte varnish afterwards once all is dry).

Now will this thin the paint as well?

From what i understand the Lahmian medium is just a clear paint, so, when making a glaze with the GW stuff it should keep the same viscosity right?

The issue im having is im trying to make a glaze out of Zamesi Desert, right now im using water, to get a super thin glaze, but it just sort of runs all over the place. Will the Liquidex matte medium effect the viscosity of the paint to an extreme like water does?


Im trying to see if i can find a medium that will create a glaze, but not change the viscosity to that of water, and not use the lahmian medium because its so pricey

I think you are bit out of luck. Glazes are suppose to be very thin, therefore they will run like water. It sounds like you are loading to much on your brush.

Yeah i think thats my problem. The next issue i need to work on is applying another glaze(?) to creveses and edges without getting the 'coffee stain' effect.

This is the guide im following the steps im having problems with are steps 3 and 4

http://taleofpainters.blogspot.com/2014/09/tutorial-how-to-paint-deathwing.html

Liquitex Glaze Medium.


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Oh yeah I see the further comments here...

You can paint with mixtures as basically as thin as water... the trick is to not load too much paint onto the brush and/or wipe off excess.

Practice with water even, trying to make distinct wet streaks, if it spills everywhere you have too much loaded on the brush. With a little pigment it'll be even easier once you get the hang of it.

Barring that you could use Vallejo or Liquitex Matte Medium which is rather thick but won't change your color. This is better for blending than for washes, for example.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Hey everyone, im trying to make a glaze and water is just not working the way i want it to, whats a good alternative to the Lahniem medium for making glazes out of GW paints?

Thanks again guys!

most people only use water. that being said I use matt medium for colors like yellow/white. glaze medium from vallejo caused a sheen that made it hard for me to see color transitions while painting. could be the lighting im using though.
what exactly are you trying to do?

eosgreen wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Hey everyone, im trying to make a glaze and water is just not working the way i want it to, whats a good alternative to the Lahniem medium for making glazes out of GW paints?

Thanks again guys!

most people only use water. that being said I use matt medium for colors like yellow/white. glaze medium from vallejo caused a sheen that made it hard for me to see color transitions while painting. could be the lighting im using though.
what exactly are you trying to do?

im painting a DW army, and im basing in Ushabti bone, and im trying to apply a light glaze to the bottom half of each armor peace of zamesi Desert

Here is the guide im following it is step 3

http://taleofpainters.blogspot.com/2014/09/tutorial-how-to-paint-deathwing.html

here are my results thus far.


so not nearly as dark as i would like it to be.

Then glaze it again. And again if needed.

The whole point of the glaze technique is that it's repeated (glaze, dry, glaze, dry, glaze). This lets you build up colour smoothly, where you want it. Lots of control.

If you can barely see each layer / glaze, you're doing it right.

It's very tempting to work with more paint in the mix, and this does give a stronger effect, faster, but the trade off is in smoothness, and control over the effect as a whole.

Knowing how strong to make the mix is very much something you get with personal experience - my preference is different to others, and yours will be too.

ok so when doing a glaze here is one of the most important parts...
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1- the start of your brush is where the least paint will be and the end is where the most will be. so the darker area at the bottom of the leg for example you would drag the brush from the place you want the transition to start towards the bottom. if you have a glaze mixed properly (its gota be VERY watery but not too watery, and then wipe most of it off) then you will see a translucent tint start to form. it can take a few times sometimes to get coverage

2- your first glaze will not be your color. it will be a translucent color and since you want to create a natural transition you will apply your glaze further and further down the model as you go. think of this as layering a highlight only with one color only the more of the color you paint in an area, the closer it resembles the full color

does this make sense? glazeing is just like layering, it's just with 1 color heavily watered down.


further images to consider this concept. when you base coat a model with a color that has poor coverage did you ever notice that in the cracks of the model where the paint rest or just randomly on the model a natural gradient was created? thats what glazing is. its taking a color of weak coverage and slowly covering the model away from the point you started


a chart im gonna mc gyver

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- - -
- - - -
- - - - -

imagine each dash is a coat of paint and the line with the most dashes is the bottom of the leg while the point you started is represented by the dash at the top



if you have any questions pm me. i exclusively paint with glazes for the most part

Hmmmm ok, i think my issue was i was not building up correctly. I water my paint down to get it very very thin and translucent. but cant you make it to thin with the water?

Also as some said, technique is where i think i need to get better at which will come with time and practice.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Hmmmm ok, i think my issue was i was not building up correctly. I water my paint down to get it very very thin and translucent. but cant you make it to thin with the water?

Also as some said, technique is where i think i need to get better at which will come with time and practice.

you need it to be very thin and watery but you are only using a little on the brush. you wipe a lot of it off. some colors are naturally easy to do this with and need less thinning