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If there were seperate FOC's based on the point value of the force and all formations were removed would it help to balance the game a little? For example. At 500 points you can take 1 HQ up to 3 troops and zero of everything else (including dedicated transports). But at 1000 you can add another troop 1 elite/fast attack, and up to 1 dedicated transports.

If the codexes were balanced. But they are not. So no.

this is approx what some tournaments do to "balance" the game.

-> and it does a piss poor job.


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Let me give you an example why.

Eldar: (497pts)



HQ Farseer [Eldar Jetbike, Witchblade]
Troop:··
-10x Windrider w/ Scatter Laser [10x Scatter Laser]
-[2x Windrider w/ Twin-linked Shuriken Catapult]
··Windrider w/ Scatter Laser [Scatter Laser]
-[3x Windrider w/ Twin-linked Shuriken Catapult]

Inq: Can't be played

Harlequins can't be played

Orks: (499)

+ HQ +
Warboss [Bosspole, Cybork Body, Power Klaw, Slugga, Warbike]

+ Troops +
-Boyz Boss Nob [Power Klaw, Slugga] 29x Boy [29x Slugga]
-Boyz 18x Boy [18x Shoota]
-Gretchin [11x Gretchin] Runtherd [Grabba stik]


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You could tweak the lists to make them a bit better but the ork list will never make a chance vs almost any eldar amry you could build. You just removed all the fun things in the list.

I didnt say that is all it would take to COMPLETELY balance the game. I am asking if it would be a step in the right direction. Obviously there are many more things that would need to be changed.

the key thing that will have to change if the game is to ever be balanced is the player base. Such an apparently large population whines about imbalance, and then those same people go on to play scatbikes, spiders, and knights. While GW could work for ages balancing everything out, as soon as 1 rules loop-hole or oversight is found, the player base will abuse it to no end. Could GW be doing a better job balancing? Hell yes. Would it really matter if they were? Probably not.

If specialized FoC were to be the new army construction method, just rip what 30k is doing and call it a day. A few variant charts for specific types of armies with appropriate drawbacks and buffs, plus every army having access to some sort of modifier like Rites of War to further customize the force.

Isn't special FOC's what they were doing pre Decurion?

 Xerics wrote:
I didnt say that is all it would take to COMPLETELY balance the game. I am asking if it would be a step in the right direction. Obviously there are many more things that would need to be changed.

-Removing the formation bonuses is a step in the good direction.
-Restricting armies in arbitrary but harsh FOC slot restrictions just does that. It restricts players but it doesn't rebalance anything.
It might even make it worse by removing all the options for semi competitive toyz lower tier armies have while the high tier armies aren't nearly as affected.


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Just look at this ore general picture.

Best an arrmy could take for troops

SM: Grav Bikers
Eldar: Laser bikes + farseer or a group of warlocks
Tau: Suits + Buffmander
Deamons: Fate weaver + Horrors or 5 Tzeentch heralds + horrors
Necron: Warriors + Resorb Lord
IG: Infantry platoon
Sisters: Battle sisters
CSM: Chaos space marines .
Orks: Footslogging Boyz
Dark eldar: Warriors on foot ... : (
Inq: can't play
Harlies: Can't play

It would shake the meta up a bit at the top but the lower tier armies would have a worse day then they would normally have