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In a 500/750 points game, what would be your advice on how to take down a vehicle (leman russ/devil dog especially) spamming AM opponent? With the specific note that I cannot run a Canoptek Harvest due to lack of Spyder, or a Decurion due to lack of Tomb Blades. Full model list in spoiler.

At the moment I'm thinking I need to cram in Doom Scythe and Heavy Destroyers where possible, and use Immortals and warriors for troops, but I'm really unsure, I know little of AM capabilities in 7th.

(Not a necron player nore do I know anything of necrons)
Aren't there some kind of necron jump unit that has something like 3A on the charge and all to wound rolls of 6 were an automatic glance? I just remember playing against someone who charged my IK and got something like 30 attacks and any 6's auto glanced, long story short he glanced my knight to death.
Whatever that unit is I am sure it can take on some leman russes.
(Sorry for such vage suggestions)

 mrhappyface wrote:
(Not a necron player nore do I know anything of necrons)
Aren't there some kind of necron jump unit that has something like 3A on the charge and all to wound rolls of 6 were an automatic glance? I just remember playing against someone who charged my IK and got something like 30 attacks and any 6's auto glanced, long story short he glanced my knight to death.
Whatever that unit is I am sure it can take on some leman russes.
(Sorry for such vage suggestions)

Yes, you're thinking of Triarch praetorians armed with void blades and particle casters. However, IMO gauss and entropic strike are way too unreliable to work against armor spam. The doom scythe could be good since it will always be penning on 3s against armor 12-14 and the death ray is ap1, so you have a chance to blow up his tanks. If you can maneuver to hit their rear armor, you could also use the tesla destructor to get some extra glancing hits. You also have the added benefit that leman fusses can't target you with their blast weapons.


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Your point limit is an issue. In a larger point game, you could do very well with a destroyer cult and maybe even a small lychstar alongside a cad with the doom scythe and a couple of big warrior blobs with crypteks for 5++ invulns and 5+++ rp against those instant death battle cannons. Flayed ones could murder big guardsman blobs as well (50 attacks on the charge with shred and ap5). I ink the higher the points limit, the bigger advantage you have (more formations, better units, and more gauss so you could supplement your heavy support options)

Catacomb command barge with a 2+ save will soak up a lot of firepower while being a large threat with his warscythe. If you can get a solar thermasite on top that will make the toughness skyrocket.

Combine that with 2 squads of 3 wraiths (or less wraiths, your points limit is indeed low) and thats a nightmare headache for the opponent. If you can't afford the wraiths then the barge should be scary enough still

Unless you play serious wysiwyg the doom scythe can be a rather annoying night scythe with a sheilded troop inside.

Wraiths are a nightmare for IG (AM), especially at lower point values. As are flayed ones. If he has a big blob let the flayed ones deal with it (and they will in a terrible way). The wraiths can handle everything else.

He's very loath to use blobs of infantry, what infantry he's forced to take in a CAD he usually crams inside chimeras and the like. I think I should definitely take the Wraiths with WC, which means I'll need to run a CAD. A Lord and 2 squads of Immortals is a mere 220 points (I'd have to proxy 5 warriors as Immortals but I'm sure he wouldn't mind, just can't proxy things that are the wrong size/shape like a monolith for a triarch stalker or anything like that), so that leaves me with a whopping 20-odd points... Maybe a piece of wargear?

That's for 500 points, of course; at 750 I could run the suggested Doom Scythe, and Catacomb Command Barge with Warscythe in place of the Lord.

I posted this in your post in Army Lists so I'll repeat it here.



If you want the full 6 Wraiths then you could play around with the HQ and Troops slots. A full 20 Warriors with +1 RP is formidable though.

Looks like a good list to me. First, its very survivable. He likely won't have much anti air at such a low points value, and you have crypteks with the warriors to make them much more survivable. Wraiths are already super durable so you're good there too. You have enough gauss and rending from the wraiths to finish of a tank per turn if you can get close. IIRC LRBTs are only 3 hull points. Good luck in your match up! I hope you do well.

Based on the story, I think what killed the imperial knight was scarabs, which tickles me pink. 5 attacks each on the charge, glance on 6's. It would take about 5 bases to reliably mulch a Leman Russ in a single assault phase, which is 100 points. They are super fast, resilient against small arms, and insta-killed by a battle cannon, so use cover to approach (they aren't slowed by difficult terrain since they are beast). Add in some wraiths to give your opponent some awful choices before a turn two assault.

I think you should just field a squad of heavy d's + your stalker, should be able to push through wounds on vehicles pretty reliably. Str 9 ap 2 should do the trick, you could even bolster that with regular destroyers since they're gauss and glance on 6s regardless.

Triarch Stalker w/ TL Heavy Gauss Cannon, 3 Heavy Destroyers, 10 Immortals and a Lord comes out at 505 points, which is a fair enough leeway, I think.

Personally I would load up on tombblades. Guard like to stand in cover. Deny them the opportunity, especially at low points. In return you get 3+ armour and cover saves, super mobile units which can take guard down in assault too, if needs must. Fit as many tomb blades in as you can.

I love Tomb Blades on paper, but like I said in the first post, I don't own any unfortunately.

Scarey Nerd wrote:
I love Tomb Blades on paper, but like I said in the first post, I don't own any unfortunately.

I saw that... I should have noted it in my response!

Well get some!

Go on, off to GW tomorrow...