Black Templars - Allied Detachments

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**IllumiNini**

Hey guys,

So I've been trying to write a Codex for the Black Templars and one of the things I'm trying to do is create an allies chart for them (much like the one on page 126 of the BRB), which mostly pertains to how they view psykers and other factions within the Imperium. The idea behind it is to make it a bit more difficult for Black Templars to take allies, especially if the chosen allies wishes to take psykers. Here's what I have so far:

Spoiler:

What are your thoughts on what I have so far? What changes, additions, or subtractions would you make from what I have?

Cheers Guys

**MrMoustaffa**

Have you checked the allies chart in the 6th ed rulebook, back when Templars were considered their own codex and allied differently?

**IllumiNini**

MrMoustaffa wrote:
Have you checked the allies chart in the 6th ed rulebook, back when Templars were considered their own codex and allied differently?

I've never read the 6th Edition Rulebook nor do I have access to one, so no haha. What did the 6th Edition Rulebook encompass on this particular topic?

**Renesco P. Blue**

I agree about the templars hating all psykers, but wouldn't they make an exception for the grey knights? Even if the do manifest abominable warp energies, they are the incorruptibly pure warriors of the inquisition. Also weren't they cool with them after the war for Armageddon?

**IllumiNini**

Renesco P. Blue wrote:
I agree about the templars hating all psykers, but wouldn't they make an exception for the grey knights? Even if the do manifest abominable warp energies, they are the incorruptibly pure warriors of the inquisition. Also weren't they cool with them after the war for Armageddon?

Not 100% sure what went on between them during that war, but I think you're right in that they're, for all intents and purposes, 'Good'. There's also this little excerpt from Warhammer 40K Wikia that I managed to glaze over until today:

The Grey Knights, known for their incorruptibility and closeness to the Emperor, represent the only Imperial psykers that the Black Templars will take as allies.

So I guess that'll have to change. I'll edit the original post

**AlmightyWalrus**

MrMoustaffa wrote:
Have you checked the allies chart in the 6th ed rulebook, back when Templars were considered their own codex and allied differently?

That Allies Chart had Adepta Sororitas as Desperate Allies. It made absolutely no sense that Black Templars would rather ally with Eldar than with the Sisters of Battle.

**IllumiNini**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
MrMoustaffa wrote:
Have you checked the allies chart in the 6th ed rulebook, back when Templars were considered their own codex and allied differently?

That Allies Chart had Adepta Sororitas as Desperate Allies. It made absolutely no sense that Black Templars would rather ally with Eldar than with the Sisters of Battle.

Was there ever any reasoning for SoB being Desperate Allies? Because as you said, that makes no sense at all.

And if that's what that particular chart said, then I'm not sure I should be using it as a source let alone a basis for my allies chart.

**Icculus**

— All other Chapters whose lore and/or tabletop rules are biased towards a relatively significant increased number of psykers within their Chapter. [And all Successor Chapters]

So I think you will have to spell these out, or at least put some parameters in there.

Also, the Dark Angels should be desperate allies of the Ophidium Gulf incident

**IllumiNini**

Icculus wrote:
— All other Chapters whose lore and/or tabletop rules are biased towards a relatively significant increased number of psykers within their Chapter. [And all Successor Chapters]

So I think you will have to spell these out, or at least put some parameters in there.

So for me trying to do this, it's actually kinda hard (but I'm determined to get it done!) haha. The first step I thought was in the right direction was changing it to this:

-- All Chapters which fit the following conditions:
-- -- Are a Grey Knights Successor Chapter [Suspected or Confirmed] [And all Successor Chapters]

This seems fairly logical to me, but the next bit is a lot harder because I have to be as generic as possible while finding a way to be specific about "If your Chapter favours and/or has an increased number of psykers (or something along those lines), then the Black Templars don't really like you)." I'm just really unsure how to word it because the others were really easy in the sense that all I had to say was "If you're successors of < So-n-So >, sorry - not sorry - but we don't like you."

Icculus wrote:
Also, the Dark Angels should be desperate allies of the Ophidium Gulf incident

Fair enough. I'll add that in, but add in some additional and/or generic reasoning.

I also added in the following to Come the Apocalypse:

-- All Chapters claiming to be Successor Chapters of the 2nd Legion or of the 11th Legion. [And all Successor Chapters]
-- -- These Chapters are strictly disallowed from taking psykers under any circumstances when allied with Black Templars.

My little fluff reason is that they're claiming to be successors of Astartes whose existence is only confirmed by the fact that their records were expunged. I figure there's some sort of heresy in that, somewhere haha. Do people agree with this? Or am I just being overly mean to fan-made Chapters descended from the two Lost Legions?