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Just looking for some opinions on this list idea, I regularly face Daemon and Chaos armies, mostly with heavier models such as Land Raiders, Heldrakes, and Defilers. My Ravenwing struggles somewhat against these models, and when the bloodthirsters and Bloodletters start chasing my bikes into corners, it doesn't go well for the DA. I'd like to try a tougher, more punchy iist that can take hits and then charge in for the kill. My idea for a different list involves:

Deathwing Redemption Force

Belial - 190

Deathwing Command Squad w/ Apothecary, Champion, Banner, Chainfist - 235

Deathwing Knight Squad (5 models) - 235

Deathwing Terminator Squad #1 - 7 models, 1 Chainfist, 1 TH/SS, 1 AC - 315

Deathwing Terminator Squad #2 -7 models, 1 Chainfist, 1 TH/SS, 1 AC - 315


Ravenwing Attack Squadron #1

Ravenwing Bike Squad - 3 models, 2 grav guns, melta bomb on Sgt - 110

Ravenwing Land Speeder with Assault Cannon, Multi-Melta - 80


Ravenwing Attack Squadron #2

Ravenwing Bike Squad - 3 models, 2 grav guns, melta bomb on Sgt - 110

Ravenwing Land Speeder with Assault Cannon, Multi-Melta - 80


Ravenwing Attack Squadron #3

Ravenwing Bike Squad - 3 models, 2 grav guns, melta bomb on Sgt - 110

Ravenwing Land Speeder with Assault Cannon, Multi-Melta - 80


1840 Points.

If you're faving lots of vehicles and daemons you might wanna swap the grav guns for melta or plasma guns on the bikes

Good advice, though there are plenty of Rhinos and CSM to pick off as well. I feel like the Land Speeders are helpful in that role as well.

I don't understand the model counts for the most part.

Switch out EVERY Terminator Squad for a Deathwing Command Squad instead. It'll be all Power Fists and one of those squads can get an Apothecary (which you already made note of). Also always buy CML's.

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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I don't understand the model counts for the most part.

Switch out EVERY Terminator Squad for a Deathwing Command Squad instead. It'll be all Power Fists and one of those squads can get an Apothecary (which you already made note of). Also always buy CML's.

Is there a reason why I should go with the DWCSs? The one in my list already has the Champion, Banner, and Apothecary, no more can be purchased. I was thinking the higher model count units would help against thirsters and princes.

Edit: Doesn't matter, the formation only allows 0-1 DWCS.

It won't help.
Also the reason is that all 5 guys are equipped with Power Fists, and therefore no challenging out your weenie Power Sword dude.

That said, if the FOC doesn't allow multiple Command Squads...damn. I assumed it was like a regular Command Squad straight from the vanilla codex.

A Deathwing Strike Force might allow more command squads. Has mostly the same rules.

Am Imperial Knight pairs well with Ravenwing.

Great idea on the strike force, it's much more flexible

I don't even think the Redemption Force has any benefits that the Strike Force doesn't already have.

 axisofentropy wrote:
A Deathwing Strike Force might allow more command squads. Has mostly the same rules.

Am Imperial Knight pairs well with Ravenwing.

Out of curiosity - what IK would you chose to support the RW in a Tau heavy playgroup?

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:

 axisofentropy wrote:
A Deathwing Strike Force might allow more command squads. Has mostly the same rules.

Am Imperial Knight pairs well with Ravenwing.

Out of curiosity - what IK would you chose to support the RW in a Tau heavy playgroup?

I like the Knight Warden myself. RW are gonna be up against it vs the Tau due to all the Ignores Cover though, so it will never be an easy match.

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:

 axisofentropy wrote:
A Deathwing Strike Force might allow more command squads. Has mostly the same rules.

Am Imperial Knight pairs well with Ravenwing.

Out of curiosity - what IK would you chose to support the RW in a Tau heavy playgroup?

I like the Knight Warden myself. RW are gonna be up against it vs the Tau due to all the Ignores Cover though, so it will never be an easy match.

Thank you for the input. I'm starting to think that the best way to go against Tau may actually be going Greenwing all the way, but I like to keep my options open so I am not predictable.

I've used green wing against Tau to the most effect. A command squad in a drop pod w/ apothecary and the banner that grants relentless, 5 Grav guns. Toss a librarian that has prescience in the unit and I am auto-erasing almost anything I want turn 1.
I've also put a chapter master w/ the relic that gives PE (forget the name as book isn't in front of me) and storm shield and artificer armor... Unit gets expensive, but the CM tanks wounds and between PE and Prescience those 5 relentless Grav guns put out some major damage.
Drop pod in a unit of devastators with grav cannons too along with a Tac squad or 2 with grav guns and a large portion of their army is gone right away.
I have had way more success with this against Tau than either Ravenwing or Deathwing!