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Can I buy a VSG and put it on a Skyshield landing platform? Or do i just buy VSG upgrades for it?

Why would you?

The skyshield itself grants an invulnerable save to the people on top if the shields are "up".

Edit: Also, I wouldn't let you put a fortification on a fortification unless you could snow me where this is allowed. Also, as Captyn_Bob says, A VSG is not a legal upgrade for a skyshield landing pad.

... You can't upgrade it to have one.

I.. don't know if there are rules for putting fortifications on fortifications, but common sense says no.

The top surface of the Skyshield Landing Pad is open ground so I would say you can put the VSG on it. The Void Shields are not units and thus would not benefit from the 4+ inv sv. The VSG itself however would benefit as long as it is claimed.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
The top surface of the Skyshield Landing Pad is open ground so I would say you can put the VSG on it. The Void Shields are not units and thus would not benefit from the 4+ inv sv. The VSG itself however would benefit as long as it is claimed.

This is what I figured. its open ground and the VSG would give me a bubble. All forts can take upgrades and a VSg is one of them for 25 pts. Take one on the Skypad, and extras on the VSG. You get the bubble incpetion effect, and units on the pad are damn near unkillable. Coupled with Terrainshifting 24" I wanted to see how this would play out.

 xSoulgrinderx wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
The top surface of the Skyshield Landing Pad is open ground so I would say you can put the VSG on it. The Void Shields are not units and thus would not benefit from the 4+ inv sv. The VSG itself however would benefit as long as it is claimed.

This is what I figured. its open ground and the VSG would give me a bubble. All forts can take upgrades and a VSg is one of them for 25 pts. Take one on the Skypad, and extras on the VSG. You get the bubble incpetion effect, and units on the pad are damn near unkillable. Coupled with Terrainshifting 24" I wanted to see how this would play out.

No , you are confusing two things. Some fortifications can take building upgrades including a 'Void Shield' for 25pts. The skyshield cannot.

A Void Shield Generator is a separate fortification, and would use up a fortfication slot. It could maybe be placed on, definitely near a Skyshield to stack benefits, but I don't see it being movable by terrain shifting, and its not a unit, even if it was on terrain.

I'll check rules for placing terrain, Pretty sure you can't put fortifications on other terrain..


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You know what, nothing says you can't put a fortification on a skyshield. Go nuts.

Indeed and a skysheild says TERRAIN TYPE" Unusal

Which imho pretty much clears it up.

Your are correct on building upgrades. Cant be done. Glad to see that got cleared up! Thank ye!

VSG on Skyshields with knights surfing here i come!

Captyn_Bob wrote:
A Void Shield Generator is a separate fortification, and would use up a fortfication slot. It could maybe be placed on, definitely near a Skyshield to stack benefits, but I don't see it being movable by terrain shifting, and its not a unit, even if it was on terrain.

Actually a claimed building counts as a unit in the controlling player's army so you could definitely use Shifting Worldscape to fly the Skyshield around and taking the VSG with it. The VSG would need to take dangerous terrain tests though.

LOL buildings taking dangerous terrain tests.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Captyn_Bob wrote:
A Void Shield Generator is a separate fortification, and would use up a fortfication slot. It could maybe be placed on, definitely near a Skyshield to stack benefits, but I don't see it being movable by terrain shifting, and its not a unit, even if it was on terrain.

Actually a claimed building counts as a unit in the controlling player's army so you could definitely use Shifting Worldscape to fly the Skyshield around and taking the VSG with it. The VSG would need to take dangerous terrain tests though.

Except the Skyshield is not a building, and cant be claimed as only buildings can be claimed.

Anyone else get the image of 40k Jenga while discussing this?

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Captyn_Bob wrote:
A Void Shield Generator is a separate fortification, and would use up a fortfication slot. It could maybe be placed on, definitely near a Skyshield to stack benefits, but I don't see it being movable by terrain shifting, and its not a unit, even if it was on terrain.

Actually a claimed building counts as a unit in the controlling player's army so you could definitely use Shifting Worldscape to fly the Skyshield around and taking the VSG with it. The VSG would need to take dangerous terrain tests though.

Except the Skyshield is not a building, and cant be claimed as only buildings can be claimed.

It counts as open terrain lol

 xSoulgrinderx wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Captyn_Bob wrote:
A Void Shield Generator is a separate fortification, and would use up a fortfication slot. It could maybe be placed on, definitely near a Skyshield to stack benefits, but I don't see it being movable by terrain shifting, and its not a unit, even if it was on terrain.

Actually a claimed building counts as a unit in the controlling player's army so you could definitely use Shifting Worldscape to fly the Skyshield around and taking the VSG with it. The VSG would need to take dangerous terrain tests though.

Except the Skyshield is not a building, and cant be claimed as only buildings can be claimed.

It counts as open terrain lol

That has nothing to do with the fact that the Skyshield is not a building.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Captyn_Bob wrote:
A Void Shield Generator is a separate fortification, and would use up a fortfication slot. It could maybe be placed on, definitely near a Skyshield to stack benefits, but I don't see it being movable by terrain shifting, and its not a unit, even if it was on terrain.

Actually a claimed building counts as a unit in the controlling player's army so you could definitely use Shifting Worldscape to fly the Skyshield around and taking the VSG with it. The VSG would need to take dangerous terrain tests though.

Except the Skyshield is not a building, and cant be claimed as only buildings can be claimed.

No but the VSG is and claimed buildings count as units in the controlling player's army. The Skyshield is terrain and therefore can be moved by Shifting Worldscape. Units that have all of their models on the piece of terrain are moved with it, so the VSG is moved with it.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Captyn_Bob wrote:
A Void Shield Generator is a separate fortification, and would use up a fortfication slot. It could maybe be placed on, definitely near a Skyshield to stack benefits, but I don't see it being movable by terrain shifting, and its not a unit, even if it was on terrain.

Actually a claimed building counts as a unit in the controlling player's army so you could definitely use Shifting Worldscape to fly the Skyshield around and taking the VSG with it. The VSG would need to take dangerous terrain tests though.

Except the Skyshield is not a building, and cant be claimed as only buildings can be claimed.

No but the VSG is and claimed buildings count as units in the controlling player's army. The Skyshield is terrain and therefore can be moved by Shifting Worldscape. Units that have all of their models on the piece of terrain are moved with it, so the VSG is moved with it.

The VSG can not be on top of the Skyshield though.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Captyn_Bob wrote:
A Void Shield Generator is a separate fortification, and would use up a fortfication slot. It could maybe be placed on, definitely near a Skyshield to stack benefits, but I don't see it being movable by terrain shifting, and its not a unit, even if it was on terrain.

Actually a claimed building counts as a unit in the controlling player's army so you could definitely use Shifting Worldscape to fly the Skyshield around and taking the VSG with it. The VSG would need to take dangerous terrain tests though.

Except the Skyshield is not a building, and cant be claimed as only buildings can be claimed.

No but the VSG is and claimed buildings count as units in the controlling player's army. The Skyshield is terrain and therefore can be moved by Shifting Worldscape. Units that have all of their models on the piece of terrain are moved with it, so the VSG is moved with it.

The VSG can not be on top of the Skyshield though.

Why not?

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 jokerkd wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
The VSG can not be on top of the Skyshield though.

Why not?

Because there are no rules that allow terrain to be placed on top of other terrain.

From the preparing for battle section regarding table set up

"Exactly how you set up Citadel scenery models is purely a matter of personal taste, and they can be placed upon the battlefield in any way the players find agreeable."

 jokerkd wrote:
From the preparing for battle section regarding table set up

"Exactly how you set up Citadel scenery models is purely a matter of personal taste, and they can be placed upon the battlefield in any way the players find agreeable."

Exactly, On top of a Skyshield is not "upon the battlefield"

Got anything that says otherwise?

The most relevant rule I could find is this from p130
Fortifications

"If a fortification is taken as part of an army, then it is set up with the rest of the units in the army using the same deployment rules as other models"

I'm not getting into a debate over the definition of "battlefield"

The top of a skyshield is defined as open ground. A realm of battle board is also defined as open ground.
What is allowed for one should be allowed for the other.

Not that i agree personally, but the rules seem to allow it

Luckily you don't need to debate about the definition of "battlefield" because it's already defined in the book. It's even listed in the Index.

Page 130: "The battlefield is usually a flat surface on which scenery models are placed and over which the armies fight"

Seems like you can't put terrain on top of terrain. Terrain is placed on the battlefield. Even if terrain is considered "open ground", it is still not considered "the battlefield".

Since fortifications are set up using the same rules for models and not terrain, I'd say you CAN put a void shield on top of a skyshield landing pad. But you can't put a grassy hill on top of it.

Can a definition begin with the word "usually"?

I think It's pretty obvious that the "usually" in this case pertains to the "flat" part. After-all, when is the last time you played a game where the armies fought under the table?

- usually a flat surface
- on which scenery is placed
- over which the armies fight

I vote for 40k Jenga.

Not that I would like to place void shields generators on top of landing platforms but do like to stack terrain on terrain such as plant on ruins, wrecks in craters, barricades on buildings and ruins on hills etc.

GUUUUYS. Just found out something really sad.... Only one fort is allow per ITC ruling.

*cue sad music*

 xSoulgrinderx wrote:
GUUUUYS. Just found out something really sad.... Only one fort is allow per ITC ruling.

*cue sad music*

And that only matters if you're using ITC's house rules. The rulebook does not limit you to a single Fortification.

True, House rules are wonky here hah. I was hoping for these shenanigans to be ITC legal Bhwha.

Personally I'd have to say no you can not put a void shield on top of a skyshield landing pad. On the question of why you would want to do this. I assume it so you can use the new geomancy worldscape power to move the skyshield there by moving the void shield bubble. I see the Void shield generator is a building and the sky shield landing pad is a terrain feature. Even the the top surface of the sky shield landing pad is treated as open ground. It is still a terrain feature.

 Glitcha wrote:
Personally I'd have to say no you can not put a void shield on top of a skyshield landing pad. On the question of why you would want to do this. I assume it so you can use the new geomancy worldscape power to move the skyshield there by moving the void shield bubble. I see the Void shield generator is a building and the sky shield landing pad is a terrain feature. Even the the top surface of the sky shield landing pad is treated as open ground. It is still a terrain feature.

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So no one can ever put an ageis line on a hill is what youre saying lol. or a fort on a hill, or anything in a lake.... doesnt make much sense imho.