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Good Afternoon Dakka

This situation arose at a local tournament game today. Can a Dark Reaper Exarch use his Fast Shot ability to fire the Plasma Obliterator weapon twice per turn?

"A model with this special rule always fires one more shot than is normal for its weapon."

Is the plasma obliterator the model's weapon? Some argue that simply using it makes it the model's weapon for the purposes of that shooting attack, while some argue the model never possesses the weapon and simply using it is not enough for it to be the model's weapon.

I would allow the Reaper to fire the extra shot because of the last sentence under "Manual Fire" on page 112. "All relevant special rules from the firing model and the weapon are used."

While this doesn't prove that the Plasma Obliterator is "its weapon", I feel that it argues RAI that the model's special rules relating to shooting are meant to be used when firing emplaced weapons.

Similarly, I would allow a gargantuan creature firing an emplaced weapon to fire it at a different target than it's other weapons if it wished. The wording is similar - "it may fire each of its weapons at a different target if desired".

 Mr. Shine wrote:
"A model with this special rule always fires one more shot than is normal for its weapon."

If this is the proper quote, no, the Plasma Obliterator cannot be fired twice in a turn, however, it can generate two shots if it normally fires one, three shots if it normally fires two, etc.

Yes it works, always worked.

@Bojazz is correct

It is one of the main reason why my exarch is the one manning the Lascannon in an Aegis Defense line or Imperial Bunker.

When using manual fire, the models special rules apply. Since Fast Shot is a rule on the model and not a piece of wargear or special rule from the weapon (like sniper weapons for exemple), it will apply to whatever weapon the model is firing.

Yes I agree it is a totally dick move to have a Reaper Exarch manning the Plasma Obliterator BUT it is still a legal move.

Have a look at the aquila stronghold's guns :> 3 large blast BS5/6 D shots. And you can hide behind it so can't be shot to pieces easily. (oh and reaper range finder is on the model and not the missile launcher, so thats conferred as well).

Trazer985 wrote:
Have a look at the aquila stronghold's guns :> 3 large blast BS5/6 D shots. And you can hide behind it so can't be shot to pieces easily. (oh and reaper range finder is on the model and not the missile launcher, so thats conferred as well).

The model is doing the firing. So does the model need line of sight to shoot at a target?

Zimko wrote:

Trazer985 wrote:
Have a look at the aquila stronghold's guns :> 3 large blast BS5/6 D shots. And you can hide behind it so can't be shot to pieces easily. (oh and reaper range finder is on the model and not the missile launcher, so thats conferred as well).

The model is doing the firing. So does the model need line of sight to shoot at a target?

I would say yes, I treat emplaced weapons much like artillery which have the requirement that both the firing model and the weapon itself be able to draw LoS to the target.