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2016/04/25 15:32:49
Subject: Renegade Knights and Formations
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Auspicious Aspiring Champion of Chaos
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Three of the Codex: Imperial Knights formations (Exalted Court, Baronial Court, and Skyreaper Lance) only have the requirement of "X-Y Imperial Knights". The Household Detachment and Oathsworn Detachment have the specific restriction "Imperial Knights Faction". Based on this, my gaming group ruled that a Renegade Knight is an Imperial Knight with the Renegade Knights Faction, so they can still use those three formations. Can anyone provide support for or against this decision?
P.S. I play Loyalists, so please don't think I am posting this so that I can have support for my non-existent Renegade Exalted Court (Court of the Damned?)
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2016/04/25 15:36:44
Subject: Renegade Knights and Formations
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Auspicious Daemonic Herald
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They're unit entry is clear they are called "Renegade Knight" so the unit is Renegade Knight and not Imperial Knight.
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2016/04/25 16:38:11
Subject: Renegade Knights and Formations
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Auspicious Aspiring Champion of Chaos
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 CrownAxe wrote:They're unit entry is clear they are called "Renegade Knight" so the unit is Renegade Knight and not Imperial Knight.
A Knight Paladin's unit type is, well, Knight Paladin, so that would mean that it couldn't be used in those formations either. Same with the Knight Errant, Knight Warden, et. al.
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2016/04/25 17:20:09
Subject: Renegade Knights and Formations
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Lieutenant General
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What faction is a Renegade Knight?
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty
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2016/04/25 17:29:02
Subject: Renegade Knights and Formations
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Auspicious Aspiring Champion of Chaos
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Renegade Knights, as I said in my original post.
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2016/04/25 17:38:11
Subject: Renegade Knights and Formations
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
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The real issue is what exactly are "x-y Imperial Knights".
Judging by the choose your army section of Forces of the Imperial Knights page, it is refering to models with the Imperial Knights faction. The statements there all say "Imperial Knights models" in discussing the detachments and unbound methods.
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This is my Rulebook. There are many Like it, but this one is mine. Without me, my rulebook is useless. Without my rulebook, I am useless.
Stop looking for buzz words and start reading the whole sentences.
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2016/04/25 17:50:47
Subject: Renegade Knights and Formations
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Lieutenant General
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And then what is the Faction symbol shown on the Exalted Court, Baronial Court and Skyreaper Lance datasheets?
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty
Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim |
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2016/04/25 17:53:46
Subject: Renegade Knights and Formations
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Nurgle Chosen Marine on a Palanquin
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A renegade knight is never stated to be an imperial knight. It is unit composition "1 Renegade Knight" so your friends are just as well sticking an Ork meganob in their skyhammer annihilation force.
Tell them to suck it up, Chaos got a cool toy that they can't have lol.
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2016/04/25 18:31:08
Subject: Renegade Knights and Formations
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Auspicious Aspiring Champion of Chaos
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 Ghaz wrote:
And then what is the Faction symbol shown on the Exalted Court, Baronial Court and Skyreaper Lance datasheets?
Please don't answer a question with another question. It makes you seem either evasive or condescending.
As to the rest of the thread, I guess we'll just have to leave this classified as a "Houserule". We're a very casual meta. I was just wondering if anyone else would agree with our assessment.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/04/25 18:32:28
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2016/04/25 18:34:19
Subject: Renegade Knights and Formations
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Lieutenant General
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In other words, look at the symbol above the Formation name and what it means (pg. 100 of the print codex). Does the Renegade Knight have this symbol?
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
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- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty
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2016/04/25 19:21:09
Subject: Renegade Knights and Formations
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Irked Necron Immortal
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 EnTyme wrote:Based on this, my gaming group ruled that a Renegade Knight is an Imperial Knight with the Renegade Knights Faction, so they can still use those three formations. (Court of the Damned?)
A Renegade Knight is not an imperial Knight faction. Renegade Knight is a different faction. It can not be used in the IK Book's formations.
If you do make that a house rule, I guess then each renegade knight can use the IK Heirlooms as well.
This house rule also opens up a whole lot of messy issues for other codices, like KDK Gorepack having Chaos bikers from the CSM codex (i.e. Mark of Nurgle on bikes).
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2016/04/25 19:45:23
Subject: Renegade Knights and Formations
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Prescient Cryptek of Eternity
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EnTyme wrote:Please don't answer a question with another question. It makes you seem either evasive or condescending.
Socrates would disagree.
In terms of this thread, a Renegade Knight is no more an Imperial Knight than Marneus Calgar is a Chaos Space Marine. The Faction logos on Datasheets mean something. The Renegade Knight has a Faction logo that looks like the Imperial Knights Faction logo super imposed upon a chaos star. I haven't seen the name in print, but I'll accept that the Faction is called Renegade Knights.
The various Formations you mentioned (Exalted Court, etc.) all have the Imperial Knights Faction logo at the top. You need to line up the factions. The Exalted Court is only available to the Imperial Knights Faction due to having that Faction's logo on it. It's not available to Renegade Knights any more than it's available to Tau Empire.
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2016/04/25 20:11:59
Subject: Renegade Knights and Formations
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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What many others said, imperial knights is a faction. Renegade knights is a faction. They are not the same faction, and no rule so far says they are interchangeable or can count as each other.
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