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Sorry guys for the newbie questions but I am a little lost on the daemon summoning. Ive been trying to research it but there just isnt a straight forward "how to" on how the mechanics work. Ive read that there are several ways to do this such as sacrifice and the summoning spell but is the use of icons etc also a straight forward way to deep strike daemons into the game. Ive read alot of material and I may be mixing several different tactics together but i finally decided to just ask if someone has a link or can take a minute to dumb it down for me. I have one question and I may be mixing tactics but the daemons that come into play come from your play list or from "the warp" and are just some extra models that were not part of your original army. Sorry I'm not giving you a lot to work with but I can honestly say i am confused.

Thanks guys!!
Geek

They are extra models not part of your army.

I dedicated summoner needs a lot of spare models !

Indeed. Models which are summoned by malefic psychic powers do not have to have been part of your army at the start of the game.

You don't pay points for them, they're 'free' reinforcements.

The downside is that they also aren't part of any detachment or formation, so won't have Objective Secured, Shock Assault, or whatever other command benefit the 'normal' units in your army may have.

And yes, whilst they're not in your army list, you are responsible for having 'spare' models to use them with. Since most summoning powers have multiple options, and those options have different battlefield roles, there's a lot to be said for having a wide selection of daemon models in your back pocket so you can bring in whatever daemon is most useful to you at a given time.

On the Objective secured rule: does that mean just the round they are summoned? Im understanding you can not summon a group on top of an objective and get immediate credit but do they ever count towards securing the objective? It is sounding like sum,moning is more useful for dropping in more powerful daemons over say plaguebearers. (GUO for example)

geekstuff wrote:
On the Objective secured rule: does that mean just the round they are summoned?

Summoned daemons can score objectives -- objective secured is a special rule available to units in a Combined Arms Detachment (CAD)

geekstuff wrote:
Im understanding you can not summon a group on top of an objective and get immediate credit but do they ever count towards securing the objective?

As soon as you have a scoring unit within 3" of an objective, and no enemy scoring units within 3" of the objective, your unit will control that objective. You can summon right on top of an objective and control it.

geekstuff wrote:
It is sounding like sum,moning is more useful for dropping in more powerful daemons over say plaguebearers. (GUO for example)

It's for both. There are times you will want to use incursion to get plague drones (what I commonly use with incursion), but other times you just want to drop more dameonettes. To sacrifice to get a Dthirster (which is what you will want) takes a model -- and is best done through losing a herald or a horror squad.

If you want to summon, you should be looking at pink horrors. They are all brotherhoods of psykers and 5 squads of 11 horrors each generates 10 warp charges. If you want to make it a warphost, you can add a level 3 herald and then fateweaver. That will give you 17 +d6 dice for summoning, which will get you a few units per turn.