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Hi all,

with the new Renegade Knight datasheet released I was thinking 1 or 2 of these Knights would make a useful ally for us murderous robots, since it fills some gaps we have in our army (in my opinion at least)

I was wondering what your opinions on the matter were and which Knight setups would be the most useful addition to our army.

2 variants I was thinking about :

Renegade Knight 1 with :

Heavy Stubber or Meltagun (only 5 points, but not sure if the 5 points would be worth it)
Stormspear Rocket Pod (not entirely sure the 40 points are justified for this weapon)
Reaper Chainsword
Avenger Gatling Cannon

This variant would be moving up the field and shoot/CC anything that comes across it's path.

Renegade Knight 2 with :

Ironstorm Missile Pod (worth the 30 points ?)
Rapid-fire Battle Cannon
Rapid-fire Battle Cannon

This variant would stay in our backline and fire some large pieplates at our enemies to whittle them down, while the rest of our army moves up to get in the 24" range.

What do you think about these 2 variants I suggested and maybe you got some other variants in mind ? Or maybe you think Renegade Knight would be a waste of points for us Necrons ?

Any suggestions are very welcome.

Thanks in advance,

Senari

Well, what in your opinion is Necron's weakness that these would be filling?

Zimko wrote:
Well, what in your opinion is Necron's weakness that these would be filling?

Their weakness of not having a good super heavy?

That's not exactly what I mean. What I mean is "well, we currently don't have a good way to wipe out units of MEQ, so a rapid-fire battle cannon knight would shore up that weakness."

(I'm not criticizing his suggestion, I want him to expand on the gap he mentioned in our army)

 krodarklorr wrote:

Zimko wrote:
Well, what in your opinion is Necron's weakness that these would be filling?

Their weakness of not having a good super heavy?

Honestly, and as much as I disliked it, I don't think necrons need a good superheavy. When I played them I faced all sorts of knight lists and a good grip of WK lists. The new Tau stuff wasn't out, so I don't know about that, but I never had too much trouble taking them down or just straight ignoring them. Knights fell to gauss and destroyers, WKs fell to destroyers/wraiths.
I disliked it because I wanted to have a big stompy stomper McStompy face in my army to stomp around, but Necrons have got a really good thing going for them. I'm not going to say tossing a renegade knight in wont add a little flavor to your life, or that I am not looking forward to the sweet ork and necron conversions that are to come, just that the army seems to have just about every hole patched up good.

Double battle cannon to help with blasts, which is something necrons cannot easily get outside of monoliths, which are bleh, or doomsday cannons, with are kind of ok, is probably what I would take. Slap it next to a destroyer cult for maximum win.

I could see a renegade knight kited with a reaper chainsword and an avenger gatling gun or a rapid fire battle cannon being a good load out to use against MEQ but honestly, destroyer cult deals with MEQ for a bunch of more models for a little bit more cost.

I TOO JUST WANT A BIG STOMPY STOMPER MC STOMP FACE.

is that too much to ask?

Go Gallant?

Zimko wrote:
Well, what in your opinion is Necron's weakness that these would be filling?

Two weaknesses I think Necrons have are the lack of heavy hitters (Super Heavy Walkers/Gargantuan/Monsterous Creatures) that can dish out a couple of strength D attacks in CC (think D-axe Bloodthirsters, Wraithknights, etc...) and second the lack of high strength/low AP large blasts on a decent platform.

While I know that for the first we have Destroyer Cults and Canoptek Wraiths to counter these, I do find that Destroyer Cults are expensive if you want to make them decent (3 units of 5 Destroyers costs you 600 points) and if your enemy locks them in combat they are pretty much useless (playing against a KDK player with gorepacks and D-axe Bloodthirsters makes this a very real possibility).
Canoptek Wraiths can also be used to counter, but I find they are better at countering other targets. Maybe I have been unlucky so far, but each time I've sent my unit of 5 or 6 Wraiths against a D-axe Bloodthirster, they have come short or it was very close. (remember you need to roll 6's to wound to ignore the +3 armour save)

In these cases I think a knight with reaper chainsword and avenger gatling gun would stand a much better chance, whilst being cheaper (then the destroyers) and also add more versatility (it can also pack a punch in CC, where as destroyers can not)

In the case of the large blasts I also know we have the Doomsday Ark (which is somewhat decent), but it has two big disadvantages, it's mobility (you can't move it at all) and it's durability (open-topped sucks). You could put it on a skyshield landing pad to make it more durable, but it still wouldn't fix the mobility issue.

In this case I think a knight with 2 rapid fire battle cannons would be better, whilst have lower strength and higher AP, it puts out more blasts, has more mobility, is more durable and has a better chance of surviving more then 1 turn or at least your enemy would have to dedicate a lot more firepower into it to get the knight away in 1 turn then he would ever have to dedicate against a doomsday ark.

So yes, I think Renegade Knights are a nice addition to a Necron army, while opening a few more points for you to spend on other stuff.

Still open for suggestions and your thoughts on the matter.

Thanks in advance,

Senari

I say go for it. I recently played a game against one of the C'tan and was very disappointed at its damage output. I mean, one roll on the powers of the C'tan per shooting phase, and being unable to choose a lesser result? A Renegade knight is a better choice IMO. Less random and you know what you are getting when you build your list.

And don't forget to magnetize them.

As long as the "Renegade Knight" is Necron'ed out, go for it!

Yeah, necron super heavies are pretty terrible, and who ever thought giving C'tan random powers was a good idea needs to be moved to a job that does not involve writing rules.

The Obelisk is god awful. It's meant to be an anti-air unit, but it fails at that.
It has a 3+ invul that will never be used as you can't deep strike it with it on, and in order to take it in a decurion you have to deep strike it.
The only offensive capability it has are the tesla spheres, which give 20 shots that can't hurt heavy armor or AP. What's the point of taking a super heavy if it can't deal damage?

The Vault would have been good if it weren't for the random powers.

Oh, and if you are getting the box set, try the same thing that I am going to do: rather than selling the other knight, offer it to your opponent for your games. especially if you magnetize them. That way your knight will have a 'nemesis' that it keeps running afoul of.