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just got my second wave from the kickstarter. First impressions is the stuff is solid looking but the rules just didn't do it for me or my gaming group. Glad I didn't kickstart the other game.

 Piston Honda wrote:
just got my second wave from the kickstarter. First impressions is the stuff is solid looking but the rules just didn't do it for me or my gaming group. Glad I didn't kickstart the other game.

I didn't really do either for the rules, it was a fairly cheap way to get mini's and tiles in large numbers; the rules were always secondary to a good deal on miniatures. My group actually had a decent amount of fun with Myth, we just wished the rulebook wasn't so obtuse. I mainly did recon because decent sci-fi rpg 'minions' are hard to come by and it has a decent amount.

I didn't back Recon partially because I don't believe in backing companies who run a KS when they didn't fulfill their previous one. In the middle of Recon, BGG was in an uproar over the rulebook. I'm sure had MCG held off, they would have made more money. They still made 800K vs. Myth's 900K, so WDIK?

CMON / Micro Arts Studios has three days left in its KS. They've just added six more bases, including Forest and Arcane (Graveyard already added), which should make good 3D obstacle markers as well as bases.

A heads up but Cool Stuff is supposed to have Myth for the deal of the day again.

40 bucks for the base game.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
A heads up but Cool Stuff is supposed to have Myth for the deal of the day again.

40 bucks for the base game.

woof.... Well. I think the whole "back the KS now and you can always sell your pledge later" has been demolished with this one. For a 100$ game to be 40$ at retail so close to release and before people even get all of their pledge shows just how bad these 100$ board game pledges really are, especially when the game fails.

I am seriously skeptical backing games without fully explored and tested rules before the KS now.

Some of those 100 dollar games are definitely not worth it, I agree. I think it's all relative to what you pay (as well as how much you value what you end up with).

Keep in mind though that for that 100 bucks, backers are still getting a hell of a lot more content than they would if they were just getting the base game.

I didn't get many add ons, but the pile of stuff I got in the mail was quite impressive. Extra tiles, extra quests, extra heroes, extra bosses, extra darkness decks, extra minion races, agents... there's a lot of loot there.

Agreeing with Highlord. I definitely do not back non-miniature boardgame KS because you can get a competitive price through the OLGS. Miniatures are definitely different -- not only do you have to find an OLGS that stocks and discounts the miniature, but you have to find enough miniature and paint product to reach the free shipping threshold.

Many boardgame KS do provide a PnP or demo game, but if you're looking for a finished ruleset, yes, avoid KS, except maybe for reprints (eg. Kremlin). BoardGameGeek has a geeklist of boardgames whose rules did not live up to the campaign, and Myth is hardly one of the early entries!

So far, Zombicide and Myth are the only boardgames that fulfill my "150 miniatures for $100" critieria, and I'm happy with my pledges! I succumbed to Cthulhu Wars (: but, as a miniature hobbyist, I have found PLENTY of non-boardgame KS's to suck out the cash from my wallet!

I finally got the last of my KS, and it is a mountain of miniatures when all laid out.

 Ahtman wrote:
I finally got the last of my KS, and it is a mountain of miniatures when all laid out.

Exactly!

It is a ton of miniatures, and it was probably one of the last "Really Good Deals" on Kickstarter that we'll ever see.

For the price, it was a great deal - if you like the style of the miniatures, of course.

I think that they'll sort out the rules sooner or later and I'm looking forward to playing the actual game with my group...eventually!

 Alpharius wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
I finally got the last of my KS, and it is a mountain of miniatures when all laid out.

Exactly!

It is a ton of miniatures, and it was probably one of the last "Really Good Deals" on Kickstarter that we'll ever see.

For the price, it was a great deal - if you like the style of the miniatures, of course.

I think that they'll sort out the rules sooner or later and I'm looking forward to playing the actual game with my group...eventually!

It's a shame how personally some people have taken that they don't like the game or the rules or MCG themselves. I don't know if it's a generational thing or a boardgame/miniatures game thing or just having too much time on their hands, but walking into some of the Myth threads is like walking into a HQ25 thread.

Check out the unofficial rewrite if you haven't had a chance.

http://boardgamegeek.com/filepage/105131/unofficial-manual-rewrite

Even though it's fan generated, it's as polished and professional as any other manual I've seen; more importantly, it's very good. It's probably a matter of pride/ego, but I think MCG should be linking to it as a stop-gap until their official rewrite is released.

I think MYTH just did too good a job of selling the game leading to massive weight of expectation

an adequate meal at a fast food place is not ideal, but you won't see lots of ire about it

an adequate meal at a 3 star Michelin restaurant will draw loads of fire

plus loads of KS backers being soured by the various shipping problems makes things worse as they've already decided they don't like the company when (and if) they try out the game

Triple9 wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
I finally got the last of my KS, and it is a mountain of miniatures when all laid out.

Exactly!

It is a ton of miniatures, and it was probably one of the last "Really Good Deals" on Kickstarter that we'll ever see.

For the price, it was a great deal - if you like the style of the miniatures, of course.

I think that they'll sort out the rules sooner or later and I'm looking forward to playing the actual game with my group...eventually!

It's a shame how personally some people have taken that they don't like the game or the rules or MCG themselves. I don't know if it's a generational thing or a boardgame/miniatures game thing or just having too much time on their hands, but walking into some of the Myth threads is like walking into a HQ25 thread.

Check out the unofficial rewrite if you haven't had a chance.

http://boardgamegeek.com/filepage/105131/unofficial-manual-rewrite

Even though it's fan generated, it's as polished and professional as any other manual I've seen; more importantly, it's very good. It's probably a matter of pride/ego, but I think MCG should be linking to it as a stop-gap until their official rewrite is released.

My issue now is how 'pokemonish' they made the rules and the system to make the game seem unusable and incomplete out of the core box. No other game have I ever played seemed so incomplete without expansions. And the core boxed set you can't even play a lot of the quests and are frequently using tokens due to lack of available models. Simply to have a second spawn of the same race or a different race takes a massive investment. I don't think people realized it was going to be this bad when we backed. I did not expect to need 20 models for a single spawn point in a game which can have 3-4 monster packs active at once sometimes. They really over-monetized this game with packs and made different mechanics too dependent on expansions.

So it is not just about the rules, it is the game is quickly repetitive and seemingly incomplete without having a 300$+ pledge or 500$+ at retail investment. It reeks of the MegaMan KS where Cutsman and Gutsman were not going to be in the core box but yet it was a complete game.

Even with the rules fixed up, the sandbox nature, the overall poor quest design and the way it uses minis and tedious AI is simply too many strikes. Sure they are cool models and if you were backing for minis, it is a great deal. I am just super disappointed by the rules to the point it makes the entire experience bad. A game should be fun, and Myth simply isn't fun.

nkelsch wrote:

My issue now is how 'pokemonish' they made the rules and the system to make the game seem unusable and incomplete out of the core box. No other game have I ever played seemed so incomplete without expansions. And the core boxed set you can't even play a lot of the quests and are frequently using tokens due to lack of available models. Simply to have a second spawn of the same race or a different race takes a massive investment. I don't think people realized it was going to be this bad when we backed. I did not expect to need 20 models for a single spawn point in a game which can have 3-4 monster packs active at once sometimes. They really over-monetized this game with packs and made different mechanics too dependent on expansions.

So it is not just about the rules, it is the game is quickly repetitive and seemingly incomplete without having a 300$+ pledge or 500$+ at retail investment. It reeks of the MegaMan KS where Cutsman and Gutsman were not going to be in the core box but yet it was a complete game.

Even with the rules fixed up, the sandbox nature, the overall poor quest design and the way it uses minis and tedious AI is simply too many strikes. Sure they are cool models and if you were backing for minis, it is a great deal. I am just super disappointed by the rules to the point it makes the entire experience bad. A game should be fun, and Myth simply isn't fun.

Fair points. I think it's an interesting miniatures game/board game hybrid and I like the sandbox nature of it. It's a welcome change from the rigidity of other co-op crawls, where I'm basically card counting as to what the next AI card will bring. The core set is limited, but my pledge included much more than the core set, so that doesn't affect any retail perception I might have.

If I had bought it at retail expecting a complete board game, I would be disappointed. If I bought it at retail viewing it as a miniatures starter set, I would be happy (especially at a discounted price). I bought in at a core captain pledge ($100) with no add-ons and there's plenty to keep me occupied for a while. So I would ask, do you feel after receiving wave 2 that you didn't receive enough miniatures to enjoy the game (barring your mentioned gameplay issues) without needing to buy additional expansions? (pretend you received the wave 3 minis as well, so tack on another 12 skeletons and a couple rat and elemental captains)

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
an adequate meal at a 3 star Michelin restaurant will draw loads of fire

Must be a different rating system over there. In the US it is typically a 5 Star Rating system and Michelin is a tire company; I read that as "a mediocre meal at a tire store".

I'm glad I'm not the only one who was debating about eating tires.

Michelin rates worldwide. Getting even a single Michelin star is a big accomplishment. 3-star is the highest and pretty near impossible to get. There is only 1 3-star in Chicago, 7 in New York and 2 in the bay area.

nkelsch wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
A heads up but Cool Stuff is supposed to have Myth for the deal of the day again.

40 bucks for the base game.

woof.... Well. I think the whole "back the KS now and you can always sell your pledge later" has been demolished with this one. For a 100$ game to be 40$ at retail so close to release and before people even get all of their pledge shows just how bad these 100$ board game pledges really are, especially when the game fails.

I am seriously skeptical backing games without fully explored and tested rules before the KS now.

With limited exceptions, I'm pretty much done with KS now. AU$ dropping and the woeful under-performance of pretty much every board game KS so far in some way or many means it's time to take a break for a year or two and see how many of these actually come in in that time. - especially new miniatures boardgames with a new IP and from new creators. Incursion, Cthulhu Wars, SoB, Myth (so happy I sold my pledge now) and even Mantic's chain of KS with decent rules and awful restic models...

Yep, Kingdom Death will be the last for me: if that one is anything less than solid, I'm out of KS board games.

Is there supposed to be a third shipment coming?

Maybe I'm just easier to please, but I'm pretty happy with nearly all of my KS boardgame purchases. I'm actually mostly really pleased with MYTH as well.

Maybe I misunderstand what is meant by "under performance...."

Without getting into a rant, Myth had an absolutely horrible manual, didn't explain much, had scenarios which required major assumptions to play, and the AI can be very easily beaten, and is pretty repetitive.

It generally felt like the game saw no outside playtesting, and after all the clarifications were made it was still not very good.

I've grown to like some of the KS games I've played, but I don't think there's been a single one where I haven't been mildly disappointed with it at least when it arrived, and there are some I wish I'd never heard of.

I've been pretty satisfied with the bulk of my board game purchases... that I've actually received! Delays and wave shipping aside, I've been pretty content with what I've got. Galaxy Defenders has probably been my favorite true boardgame (albeit one with miniatures).

I'm not even going to begin to count how many outstanding games I'm still waiting on. At least I can expect a certain level of quality from all those outstanding ones. Plus, hell, I've got Brimstone coming tomorrow.

I will say like many others I've become a lot shrewder and more discerning about what I back these days, even if it is quite a bit still.

I only back miniatures and miniature-boardgame KS, because most boardgames can later be bought at the OLGS at a discount and I can at least use the 28mm miniatures in other games. Indeed, in earlier days, some boardgame KS would ship to retailers at the same time or earlier than backers, at the same discount. Because MCG put out their MERCS miniatures game, I was pretty sure they'd deliver the mini's, but since this was their first KS and they were doing plastic miniatures for the *first* time, I figured they'd miss their estimated date and ship a year or whatever later. The poorly written rulebook was unexpected, revised editions are available. I hope they choose to fix the problems they had in MYTH by the time RECON comes out.

So lets play the "what do you have outstanding" that should have been delivered already game...

I'll go first:

Kingdom Death: Monster (Nov 2013)
Arena Rex (Dec 2013)
Wrath of Kings (May 2014)
Journey Wrath of Demons (July 2014)
Lil Dicky's Album (Mar 2014)
Wakfu Animated Series (April 2014) - And is on Netflix, which makes me double irritated
Arcadia Quest (Sept 2014) I told them they could ship me last so I expected to wait a lil longer on this.

I'm just at Kingdom Death, Arena Rex, and Journey. I was with Super Dungeon Explore, but eventually sold my pledge, partially because I'd painted some SDE minis in the mean time and didn't particularly like them, partially because Myth frustrated me, partially because I didn't like Soda Pop's recent handling of stuff.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
I'm just at Kingdom Death, Arena Rex, and Journey. I was with Super Dungeon Explore, but eventually sold my pledge, partially because I'd painted some SDE minis in the mean time and didn't particularly like them, partially because Myth frustrated me, partially because I didn't like Soda Pop's recent handling of stuff.

I still have SDE too, which will prob be late. I just can't quit me those models.

I think the only one I really have (boardgame wise) is Recon. I'm hoping that the lessons learned from Myth make Recon less problematic when it comes to shipping. I like everything I got, and I understand growing pains, but i begrudge no one for being upset with them especially non-NA backers.

Outside that still waiting on vidya games Pillars of Eternity and The Mandate.

 Ahtman wrote:


Outside that still waiting on vidya games Pillars of Eternity and The Mandate.

I've never backed a video game one cause i've heard they can have real problems. Experiences there?

They tend to take longer but the few I have backed are moving along. Pillars of Eternity (Project Eternity) is coming up on the two year mark but it was said back when they started what the projected date was.

I win the battle of the late stuff (not including the two projects I've written off)

Trollforged
Kingdom Death
Arena Rex (shipping just started, but I wait for MIKH)
Raging heroes
Cthulhu Wars
Double Six Dice
Arcadia Quest
Wrath of Kings
Reaper Bones II October 2014 (they've said it's slipped)

and possibly Red Box Games (I think this should just have shipped, but I may be one of the few waiting for a re-stock)

but in general I'm either OK with my KS stuff, or actually delighted either because of the value or quality (or both).

Delays are a bit of a nuisance, but once you accept they will happen it's just part of the experience (like mud at a UK music festival)

I've made worse purchases at a game store (and they hurt more as you see immediately you've thrown your money away, KS gives you time to write it off in your mind).

Relic Knights was the only one I'd got really fed up with, but now it's arrived the models are pretty good (bar a couple), the books great and the game is fun so it was worth the wait