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So, I am very disappointed in the majority of the Chaos supplements. As a stereotypical, disgruntled Chaos player I want more of what the Space Marines have as far as Chapter Tactics are concerned, not 1 broken formation and 17 crappy ones.

I've been toying around with the idea of grabbing a Space Marine codex and playing my CSM as a "Newly Renegade" army. How would this be perceived from a community stand point? Obviously, I would not be mixing units. No more Helbrutes, Forgefiends, Heldrakes, etc. Nor any relics, Marks from the Gods, . For all intents and purposes they would be "Space Marines", but because I can't stomach the idea of fighting for an impostor, corpse Emperor they would be CSM models and have pledged themselves to the Dark Gods.

Now, I wouldn't go running into an ITC event or anything of the like, but I would probably use them at FLGS and casual tournaments. What are your thoughts, Dakka?

I don't see a problem.

Back when Chaos was on top (the legendary 3.5 codex) they had a few pictures of Loyalists with big red Xs over their imperial icons so lazy players could quickly retool as chaos.

Hey, turn about is fair play and all that.

Space Wolves might be a better army to go with than Vanilla since they're a bit lower tech and more assaulty anyway.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I don't see a problem.

Back when Chaos was on top (the legendary 3.5 codex) they had a few pictures of Loyalists with big red Xs over their imperial icons so lazy players could quickly retool as chaos.

Hey, turn about is fair play and all that.

Space Wolves might be a better army to go with than Vanilla since they're a bit lower tech and more assaulty anyway.

But I want free drop pods

Sounds fluffy and reasonable to me.

Be sure to be WYSIWYG and clear to your opponent though, just in case.

I run my iron warriors with Iron Hands chapter tactics and Armoured Taskforces.

This has the benefit of letting me ally with IG as battlebrothers for some Traitor Guardsmen action, and gave me access to Skitarii and Cult Mechanicus if I ever needed Dark Mechanicus in my forces too.

So by all means go for it, especially if the rules fits your warband like a glove.

 Blacksails wrote:
Sounds fluffy and reasonable to me.

Be sure to be WYSIWYG and clear to your opponent though, just in case.

Right, that would be a given. I need some Grav weaponry now.....

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:I run my iron warriors with Iron Hands chapter tactics and Armoured Taskforces.

This has the benefit of letting me ally with IG as battlebrothers for some Traitor Guardsmen action, and gave me access to Skitarii and Cult Mechanicus if I ever needed Dark Mechanicus in my forces too.

So by all means go for it, especially if the rules fits your warband like a glove.

I do have a Renegades and Heretics army that would be fantastic to play at FLGS tournaments......

 Darth_Mox wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:
Sounds fluffy and reasonable to me.

Be sure to be WYSIWYG and clear to your opponent though, just in case.

Right, that would be a given. I need tome Garv weaponry now.....

Definitely.

I've always loved the idea of a newly turned chapter. It offers so much in the way of options for books, playstyles, and modelling. Allows for some cool story telling too, always loved the fluff for Huron and his fall.

It certainly is reasonable. though maybe as long as they are not overly chaosified. maybe kit bash with loyalest stuff and make them all looked jacked up from years of neglect or whatever.

iron hands would be super cool as iron warriors. you could convert up some really cool looking forge fiends into contemptor dreads for because they would get invul saves and stuff.

and as above you can get some crazy conversions with all the allies, and even the HH books if you are into that sort of things.

lots of cool options and you should do it.

 Desubot wrote:
It certainly is reasonable. though maybe as long as they are not overly chaosified. maybe kit bash with loyalest stuff and make them all looked jacked up from years of neglect or whatever.

iron hands would be super cool as iron warriors. you could convert up some really cool looking forge fiends into contemptor dreads for because they would get invul saves and stuff.

and as above you can get some crazy conversions with all the allies, and even the HH books if you are into that sort of things.

lots of cool options and you should do it.

I'm going for it. What's the shootiest SM chapter?

 Darth_Mox wrote:
So, I am very disappointed in the majority of the Chaos supplements. As a stereotypical, disgruntled Chaos player I want more of what the Space Marines have as far as Chapter Tactics are concerned, not 1 broken formation and 17 crappy ones.

I've been toying around with the idea of grabbing a Space Marine codex and playing my CSM as a "Newly Renegade" army. How would this be perceived from a community stand point? Obviously, I would not be mixing units. No more Helbrutes, Forgefiends, Heldrakes, etc. Nor any relics, Marks from the Gods, . For all intents and purposes they would be "Space Marines", but because I can't stomach the idea of fighting for an impostor, corpse Emperor they would be CSM models and have pledged themselves to the Dark Gods.

Now, I wouldn't go running into an ITC event or anything of the like, but I would probably use them at FLGS and casual tournaments. What are your thoughts, Dakka?

Totally fine. Pick whichever marine codex you think represents your style best. A friend of mine is using C:SW for Word Bearers with Wulfen=Gal Vorbak, Blood Claws=Berzerkers, etc.

 Scott-S6 wrote:

 Darth_Mox wrote:
So, I am very disappointed in the majority of the Chaos supplements. As a stereotypical, disgruntled Chaos player I want more of what the Space Marines have as far as Chapter Tactics are concerned, not 1 broken formation and 17 crappy ones.

I've been toying around with the idea of grabbing a Space Marine codex and playing my CSM as a "Newly Renegade" army. How would this be perceived from a community stand point? Obviously, I would not be mixing units. No more Helbrutes, Forgefiends, Heldrakes, etc. Nor any relics, Marks from the Gods, . For all intents and purposes they would be "Space Marines", but because I can't stomach the idea of fighting for an impostor, corpse Emperor they would be CSM models and have pledged themselves to the Dark Gods.

Now, I wouldn't go running into an ITC event or anything of the like, but I would probably use them at FLGS and casual tournaments. What are your thoughts, Dakka?

Totally fine. Pick whichever marine codex you think represents your style best. A friend of mine is using C:SW for Word Bearers with Wulfen=Gal Vorbak, Blood Claws=Berzerkers, etc.

Hadnt thought about using Berserkers for Blood Claws. I'm looking forward to Chaosifying Centurions.

All of them..?

lore wise... i mean they all shoot. BT is pretty much the only CC one i can think of.

Smurfs are smurfs
Imperial fist does the bolter thing.
Sally has flamers
iron hands have Tough dudes
white scars does the bike things
and the raven guard does that and the sneaky thing

Wolves do not get centurions.

What chaos legion do you want?

I do it, with a mix of CSM & SM models. I mostly stuck to the older variant power armour suits with the SM models, but really, a marine is kinda of a marine at the end of the day, spiky or not. Whatever floats your boat, just keep it easily understandable for all involved.

Besides the rules, the SM kits aren't ancient, which is nice.

 Desubot wrote:
All of them..?

lore wise... i mean they all shoot. BT is pretty much the only CC one i can think of.

Smurfs are smurfs
Imperial fist does the bolter thing.
Sally has flamers
iron hands have Tough dudes
white scars does the bike things
and the raven guard does that and the sneaky thing

Wolves do not get centurions.

What chaos legion do you want?

My stuff is painted half Black Legion, the other half Word Bearers. I freakin love Terminators, Lascannons, and shooting mixed with shooting with a helping of more shooting. Not a fan of the CC system.

Well Black legion should be fine with smurfs

gives you some more organized options

Sounds like a cool idea to me if you model it well and stuff I would be more than happy to play that kind of army.

 Darth_Mox wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I don't see a problem.

Back when Chaos was on top (the legendary 3.5 codex) they had a few pictures of Loyalists with big red Xs over their imperial icons so lazy players could quickly retool as chaos.

Hey, turn about is fair play and all that.

Space Wolves might be a better army to go with than Vanilla since they're a bit lower tech and more assaulty anyway.

But I want free drop pods

I think one of the core formations from Curse of the Wulfen or what ever it is called, The Core Formation for Ragnar Blackmanes company, Gives you free drop pods that all come in turn 1

Play using the 30k word bearer rules, that way you can use a competitive army that feels exactly like a chaos army should feel. You might have to play around with a few things like beefing up squad sizes but it's the most fluffy and fun way to play chaos right now.

I decided to go with a fluffy option. Crimson Sabres having just turned traitor. Now known as "Crimson Slaughter".

I had toyed with this idea myself for my own Iron Warriors army. I personally wouldn't have any issues playing against a army like this either, seems like a decent and fun temporary solution for fans of the struggling traitor legions. Of course some units wont translate over well but that's to be expected, atleast we can try out some of the loyalist's new toys.

As long as you don't give gw anymore cash towards vanilla SPESS MUREEN models should be fine, last thing we need is for more people to hop on the bandwagon and make gw think giving the murrenz everything and anything they want is a good idea.

 cosmicsoybean wrote:
As long as you don't give gw anymore cash towards vanilla SPESS MUREEN models should be fine, last thing we need is for more people to hop on the bandwagon and make gw think giving the murrenz everything and anything they want is a good idea.

That's pretty much exactly what he seems to be doing....wants drop pods (free even), grav weapons, etc. Throw in the codex cost and the psychic deck, GW will think its just another codex marine player out there and will keep piling on the new loyalist gear.

I know I'm in the minority here, but I personally don't like this idea of playing with loyalist rules but claiming the army is Chaos. I know Chaos is the cool kid in class, but I just think its a cop out. If you want spiky loyalists, play spiky loyalists, convert to your hearts content, but they are still loyalists.

Would you be okay with a Dark Eldar player who decided that his snowflake army mastered the art of Craftword Eldar weaponry and psychics, and as such, used the Eldar codex?

Almost every Chaos Legion had a pretty direct Loyalist counterpart. I can't imagine any sort of issue you could run into if you did something like play Night Lord's using Raven Guard tactics or Iron Warriors using Imperial Fists tactics.