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'Shadowstrike Kill Team (531pts)
Scout Squad [4x Boltgun, 4x Scouts]
Scout Sergeant [Boltgun, Boltgun, Melta Bombs]

Scout Squad [4x Boltgun, 4x Scouts]
Scout Sergeant [Boltgun, Boltgun, Melta Bombs]

Vanguard Veteran Squad [Jumppacks]
Veteran [Chainsword, Storm Shield]
Veteran [Chainsword, Storm Shield]
Veteran [Bolt Pistol, Power Fist]
Veteran [Bolt Pistol, Power Fist]
Veteran [Bolt Pistol, Power Fist]
Veteran Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Chainsword]

Vanguard Veteran Squad [Jumppacks]
Veteran [Chainsword, Storm Shield]
Veteran [Chainsword, Storm Shield]
Veteran [Lightning Claw, Lightning Claw]
Veteran [Lightning Claw, Lightning Claw]
Veteran [Lightning Claw, Lightning Claw]
Veteran [Lightning Claw, Lightning Claw]
Veteran Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Chainsword]


'Pinion Battle Demi-Company * (968pts) [Shadow Captain Shrike]

Assault Squad [Jump Packs, 4x Space Marines]
Space Marine Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Chainsword]

Devastator Squad [4x Lascannon, 4x Space Marines]
Drop Pod [Storm Bolter]
Space Marine Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]

Scout Bike Squad [Cluster Mines, Scout Biker, Scout Biker]
Scout Biker Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Locater Beacon]

Scout Squad [4x Scouts, 4x Sniper Rifle]
Scout Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Sniper Rifle]

Scout Squad [Missile Launcher (Frag & Krak), 4x Scouts, 3x Sniper Rifle]
Scout Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Sniper Rifle]

Tactical Squad [Lascannon, 4x Space Marines]
Space Marine Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]

Tactical Squad [Lascannon, 4x Space Marines]
Space Marine Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]

Tactical Squad [Multi-melta, 4x Space Marines]
Drop Pod [Storm Bolter]
Space Marine Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]

1499 pts

Suggestions anyone? Not really sure how to maximise the benefits of the 2 formations. Never written a space marine list.


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ok so im taking this is your first time posting a list on dakka dakka? if so then i forgive you for using battlescribe because this is near unreadable sorry.

but form what i got there are a lot of problems with this list.

1. whats so good about the pinion demi company is that they can come in with scouts and get ignore cover. so drop the drop pods. drop pods and heavy weapons do not make sense. you will be snapfiring and chances are that you will die before you get a good shot off. give your devs missile launchers and keep them in that back with one squad of scouts.

2. cluster mines are garbage. im sorry but they are very bad, drop them. and drop the locator beacon since you wont be needing that anymore. sniper rifles are not that good id rather have bolters instead. also the best scout squad configuration for me is camo cloaks and a heavy bolter. sit still and you get a 2+ cover save and slinging 3 str 5 ap 4 shots a turn which is not bad for the price

3. if you are planning to play aggressive with your army then drop the heavy weapons on the tacs and go with grav and melta

4. and the BIGGEST problem is that its not even a full raven guard force. you are missing you captain/ chaplain lol

overall there are some problems with the list but may i recommend a website to help you with you decisions?

go to frontlinegaming.com and go to tactics and scroll down to space marines they will teach you how to use the raven guard force. its a competitve guide, but it has some good stuff in there

That's a good call Frontline have great articles about the Ravenguard formations and detachment. I will be honest, fitting a full Talon strike force into 1500 points is a bit of a squeeze, that might be why you've left out the HQ.

Drop the vet squads down to five men each, and follow Omegas advice and you should definitely be able to fit in an HQ.

The ignores cover that the scout squads can give to other units is invaluable. Especially on the dev squads. So it's worth giving one of the scout squads a missile launcher as they will be stuck in the back field without range.

EDIT I've just noticed you actually have Shrike as your HQ. Can't say I've ever played him, but vow the points cost, you might be better off equipping a chapter master with murder and Swiftstrike. That way you can get a lovely ignores cover orbital bombardment (if you keep your HQ near scouts) and the murder Swiftstrike wargear is brutal. Otherwise just get a chaplain to drop in with your assault marines to give them rerolls in close combat.

oh i see him now, ok shrike is not that good i would follow kroll's advice and drop the vets down to 5

Awesome thanks guys, sorry about the battle scribe I used to use quarter master but have a new phone so no qm on android :(. I was too lazy to type it all out coz I hate typing on my phone and internet is down so had to use my phone. So thanks for making the effort to read!


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Pinion battle demi company 897pts

Chaplain, jump pack 105

4 x 5 scouts, camp cloaks, boltguns and heavy bolter. 1 squad with a vet sergeant with nihilus 307

3 x tactical squads 1 with meltagun 2 with grav 250

5 assault marines jump packs 85

Devastator squad 4 x lascannon 150

Shadow strike killteam 518pts

2 x 5 scouts, camp cloaks, boltguns and heavy bolter 146

6 vanguard vets, 2 storm shields, 3 power fists, bare sergeant 179

7 vanguard vets, 2 storm shields, 4 pairs lightning claws, bare sergeant 193

Up to 1415pts

How should I kit out the Chaplain, and what do I spend the last points on?