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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/15 10:23:17
Subject: Competative Forgeworld - Skathach Wraithknight Weapons Discussion
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Devastating Dark Reaper
Worcester
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Hey there!
If you are reading this, you are probably familiar with the weapons that can be given to the Skathach Wraithknight from the Doom of Mymeara book.
There are Two weapon options:
1) Two Death Shroud Cannons
2) Two Inferno Lance Cannons
What do you guys think about them?
Which are better?
Why are they Better?
What kind of scenarios would these guys be seen in?
What makes these weapons better than the standard Wraithknight weapon options?
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/05/15 10:52:25
"He who sees his own doom can better avoid its path. He who sees the doom of others can deliver it."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/15 11:55:19
Subject: Re:Competative Forgeworld - Skathach Wraithknight Weapons Discussion
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Agile Revenant Titan
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Which Wraithknight you opt for really depends on the rest of your army list. Locally, we got rid of GC using 'toe in cover' awhile ago, so that changed how durable the Wraithknight was. I always ran a Scatterfield (5+ Inv Save) Now that the FAQ appears to be doing the same, I suspect others will realize this and follow suit. Having a 5+ Invulnerable Save and a 5+ FnP is the type of durability required for this model and I would not consider running a Wraithknight w/o and Inv Save in my local meta; there is too much in other armies that can drop a Wraithknight in a single turn.
-In my lists, whether in a CAD or part of a Craftworld Warhost, I run Warp Hunters (as separate Heavy Support choices or as a Formation). These are fantastic tanks and are my real answer for anti vehicles. The rest of my army tends to have good shooting, but no real way to ignore cover. Therefore, I run my Wraithknight with the Deathshroud Cannon. . The Hellstorm Template is extremely good at clearing out nearly any model with a 4+ or worse armor save. Additionally, we played per the rulebook and the Hellstorm template hit all models under the template, regardless of what floor of a ruin the model was on. The Deathshroud Cannon has great utility as it can clear out objectives fairly well. In a pinch, I can still get into assault with this model as it still has 4 x S10, AP2 attacks and then the Stomp. If range is an issue, I can fire it as a blast weapon, albeit it does not ignore cover in this fire mode.
-The Sword/Shield is another great option for great durability and killing potential. However, he typically won't see combat until turn 2. But, it is generally a solid choice.
-If you really want a Wraithknight without an Inv Save, I'd highly recommend paying the points for a Skyshield Landing Pad. However, this is still not a guarantee for survivability. I recently did play this and lost my Wraithknight on turn 1 from a deep striking Ultramarine army. It took most of my opponent's army shooting, but he did get through the 4+ inv save and 5+ FnP on turn 1. However, other than this one time, the 4+ inv save was more than enough to protect the Wraithknight for a turn, especially if you are attempting a Null Deploy tactic.
-I've not really used the melta version as I have not needed my Wraithknight to be an anti tank shooting platform as I get that from other units in the game.
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No earth shattering, thought provoking quote. I'm just someone who was introduced to 40K in the late 80's and it's become a lifelong hobby. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/15 12:40:27
Subject: Competative Forgeworld - Skathach Wraithknight Weapons Discussion
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Devastating Dark Reaper
Worcester
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Thanks for the ideas and feedback.
The type of army I like to play competitively is mass units of Bikes with Warp Spiders and Crimson Death with some Hornets to back that up, usually accompanied by a Wraithknight with Board and Sword.
However, I just ordered a Skathatch knight with the Deathshroud Cannons because that was the typical choice that players pick over the Inferno Lance choice.
Typically, I would always play the Sword over the Skathatch, but in my 2000 point army list, I have both Knights.
So, with this sort of list in mind, what shoulder mounted weapons do you normally give to the knight and does it depend on what weapon the knight has? e.g. Lots of people use the Starcannons with the Sword and Board and others use scatter lasers with the Shroud cannons.
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"He who sees his own doom can better avoid its path. He who sees the doom of others can deliver it."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/15 12:52:46
Subject: Competative Forgeworld - Skathach Wraithknight Weapons Discussion
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Agile Revenant Titan
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I built mine with a single Scatterlaser.
With the Deathshroud Cannon firing the Hellstorm Template, this potentially could take me out of assault range. Therefore, I would typically fire the Scatterlaser at a second nearby unit, to ensure I could get into an assault. With proper positioning, I could hit mutliple units with the Deathshroud, then shoot the Scatter at yet a different unit, assault and kill it. Lots of utility because players may not be cognizant of unit placement. I've literally killed to full Scout Squads and force a Land Speeder to Jink on turn 1 of a game from just the Wraithknight.
With two Wraithknights (locally, we only allow 1 GC or Superheavy), I'd still take one with the Deathshroud/Shield and the other Sword/Shield.
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No earth shattering, thought provoking quote. I'm just someone who was introduced to 40K in the late 80's and it's become a lifelong hobby. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/15 12:59:16
Subject: Competative Forgeworld - Skathach Wraithknight Weapons Discussion
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Devastating Dark Reaper
Worcester
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Ok, but why the Scatter Lalser over say the Starcannon? for 5 extra points, it is ap2 instead of 6 (but 2 less shots yes).
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"He who sees his own doom can better avoid its path. He who sees the doom of others can deliver it."
7500 Eldar
2000 Grey Knights |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/15 13:32:38
Subject: Competative Forgeworld - Skathach Wraithknight Weapons Discussion
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Agile Revenant Titan
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This is a bit situational, but generally speaking, I don't want the Statterlaser or Starcannon to be overly effective.
I use it primarily as a way to launch an assault against something other than what I shoot the Deathshroud at. Against MEQ, I may remove a single model with a Scatterlaser. However, removing models with a Scatterlaser my real purpose as the Wraithknight will do more damage in assault. As the Wraithknight does not have fleet, I want my assault range as short as possible. A single Starcannon would likely have minimal effect on what I am trying to do. However, I would not arm it with 2 Starcannons for the same reason I do not utilize 2 Scatterlasers.
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No earth shattering, thought provoking quote. I'm just someone who was introduced to 40K in the late 80's and it's become a lifelong hobby. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/24 18:10:37
Subject: Competative Forgeworld - Skathach Wraithknight Weapons Discussion
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Sarigar wrote:This is a bit situational, but generally speaking, I don't want the Statterlaser or Starcannon to be overly effective. I use it primarily as a way to launch an assault against something other than what I shoot the Deathshroud at. Against MEQ, I may remove a single model with a Scatterlaser. However, removing models with a Scatterlaser my real purpose as the Wraithknight will do more damage in assault. As the Wraithknight does not have fleet, I want my assault range as short as possible. A single Starcannon would likely have minimal effect on what I am trying to do. However, I would not arm it with 2 Starcannons for the same reason I do not utilize 2 Scatterlasers.
This is actually why I usually go with the Shuricannon over either. 1 less shot than the Scatter laser makes sure I don't kill too many models to deny my assault. It is important to note that both Skathach Knight can swap 1 gun for the Shield. I personally need my WK to go after big important targets and since I have started using a VSG, the classic double wraithcannons are the best option for me. If I had to choose a Skathach WK, I'd go with double Inferno lances for the same reason. --
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