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In this thread (link for reading not posting), we had an argument about whether or not the KFF affected all models or just friendly models, so I'd thought I'd see how everyone else plays it.

PLEASE ANSWER HOW YOU CHOOSE TO PLAY THE GAME, NOT NECESSARILY WHAT THE RULES AS WRITTEN (RAW) SAY.


Option A: The KFF affects all models, friend or foe

Option B: The KFF affects only friendly models

Option C: Something else entirely, explain

Considering orks are a weaker army my FLGS just has it effect only friendly models. Now if belonged to Eldar I guarantee you we would rule to to effect everyone.

It pretty clearly says ALL MODELS in 6". Enemy models within 6" are still models they don't magically become something else.

My group always said it only effects friendly models, as why would things outside your army benefit from your special bonuses?

I feel like its supposed to be orks only and its just worded badly like all rules from GW.

Orks are one of the worst armies and making it include enemies just makes them worse for no reason at all. If you can't beat orks without being in their 6" KFF then you deserve to lose.

I play it with anything within 6'' of the KFF gets the buff, friend or foe, because if something is already that close to me I'm probably going to be in assault with it. Plus, I think it's kind of funny.

Granted, that has never come up yet, since I only field it in a few lists of mine, but that's how I intend to run it.

Depends on which direction the shooting is coming from. The enemy would not get a save from the holder of the KFF and his unit. But the squad of lootas 20" away would allow the KFF save.
Incidentally, same does NOT go for the holder of the KFF. Essentially, I view it as the force field pushing away from itself. Just because you are standing within the outer border of the field, it will still deflect the shots at close range.

My choice as an ork player is to play it RAW. If an opponent gets to within 6" it applies to them as well. In addition if an enemy model within 6" shoots a friendly model within 6" of the KFF I play it as the KFF still applies.

Its Kustom made so I play it as it messes up shots within its AoE in an orky fashion. This makes a difference since its an invulnerable save not a cover save so templates at close range are equally affected

Well I don't think it matters too much. If the enemy unit is that close then one of the units is doing its job and the other one is fethed. If my kff is in the backfield protecting shoot units then those termies that drop pod"d are too close and they are certainly about to do their job. If the kff is in ghe front protecting the advance of a melee unit then it did it's job because the unit is in range to charge. Once melee happens neither is going to get shot and the kff don't really matter...well I guess scattered blasts...yeah I'd let the enemy gain the kff too.

Option A I know it sucks but it is RAW and almost certainly RAI. I kinda hate it how it went from friendly units to all models and tyranids got their friendly units shrouding beasts as non HQ slots. But hey what can we do.

 oldzoggy wrote:
Option A I know it sucks but it is RAW and almost certainly RAI. I kinda hate it how it went from friendly units to all models and tyranids got their friendly units shrouding beasts as non HQ slots. But hey what can we do.

I disagree about intent, back in 5th edition the faq's stated whatever war gear was bought for your army, only worked for your army. GW just never figured out the proper wording on how to reconcile that idea with the addition of allies.

Since the question is HIWPI and I don't play Orks, I would play that it affects all models friend or foe, in the Orks army, meaning that my models do not benefit, but if he brought along a Tac squad, for example, they would.

sirlynchmob wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:
Option A I know it sucks but it is RAW and almost certainly RAI. I kinda hate it how it went from friendly units to all models and tyranids got their friendly units shrouding beasts as non HQ slots. But hey what can we do.

I disagree about intent, back in 5th edition the faq's stated whatever war gear was bought for your army, only worked for your army. GW just never figured out the proper wording on how to reconcile that idea with the addition of allies.

This is where a lot of disagreement occurs. I tend to agree with Oldzoggy because the KFF has been changed. Its now an inv save not a cover save and its wording has been changed from affecting whole units to just models. I think this shows intent to limit its effectiveness and affect enemy models and allies. Gone are the days when we could conga line several 30 strong squads to benefit from the KFF.

Its still a bubble .. never should have been a cover save ..
affects everything in the bubble..

Now to the odd part locally..Models being shot from outside the bubble get the save ..models being shot at from inside the bubble do not get the save..

Option A. It's RAW. I think it's silly, but that's what it says. You can house rule it if you want. Honestly, in the unlikely event that your enemy is within 6" of your KFF, you're probably going to be charging them anyway.

morfydd wrote:Its still a bubble .. never should have been a cover save ..
affects everything in the bubble..

Now to the odd part locally..Models being shot from outside the bubble get the save ..models being shot at from inside the bubble do not get the save..

That's an interesting twist. The rule says all models within 6" receive the save against shooting. Doesn't matter if the shot comes from outside the 6" or inside. But again, house rule. Someone must really hate Orks.