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Hey Dakka,
750point Ultramarines list, looking for comments/criticisms?

HQ
Sgt Chronus
(Command) Predator
Twin-Linked Lascannon
Lascannon Sponsons
Hunter-killer Missile
Dozer Blade......................205pts

TROOPS
Tactical Squad
5 Additional Marines
Chainsword
Combi-flamer
Meltabombs
Flamer
Missile Launcher
Rhino.................................210pts

Tactical Squad
5 Additional Marines
Chainsword
Combi-flamer
Meltabombs
Flamer
Missile Launcher
Rhino.................................210pts

FAST ATTACK
Stormtalon Gunship
Twin-linked Lascannon......125pts

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It's Quick, it's Armoured, it's Objective Secured & it's (relatively) Threatening....
Thoughts? Critiques/Comments Appreciated?
Not meant to be overly competitive, but it should put up a fight in casual games?

Cheers in advance,
GamerGuy

Looks like a reasonably fun list. TAC and balanced. You shouldn’t have many bad matchups, but no easy wins either.

I might diversify the tac squads, swap one out for a melta/plasma/grav depending on what you are worried about. ML/F is classic though, so I can’t complain.

I like the skyhammers on the talon. Good bang for the buck. In general you are better striping off hull points then going for the one-shot kill.

For the most part I eschew vehicle upgrades. They just don’t have a lot of return for the investment. That said, if you are looking to get a few, the dozer blade would be better served on a rhino rather then the pred. I can see the HK though. I think they are normally overpriced for a 1 shot weapon, but Chronos will at least make it a BS5 shot.

 GamerGuy wrote:
Hey Dakka,
750point Ultramarines list, looking for comments/criticisms?

HQ
Sgt Chronus
(Command) Predator
Twin-Linked Lascannon
Lascannon Sponsons
Hunter-killer Missile
Dozer Blade......................205pts

I don't think that the hunter killer missile is really worth 10 points.

TROOPS
Tactical Squad
5 Additional Marines
Chainsword
Combi-flamer
Meltabombs
Flamer
Missile Launcher
Rhino.................................210pts

1. It makes no sense to put a combiflamer and chainsword on sarge.The chainsword doesn't give him any benefit that the pistol doesn't. In fact, you lose out on the 12 inch pistol shooting attack before assaulting.

2. The 10 points to put a combiflamer on sarge is a waste of points. Flamers aren't worth 10 points.

Tactical Squad
5 Additional Marines
Chainsword
Combi-flamer
Meltabombs
Flamer
Missile Launcher
Rhino.................................210pts

Again, same criticisms.

gtg to work now, but will respond late tonight once I've mulled over your contributions!
thanks for the rapid responses guys!!! really appreciate it!

GamerGuy

Here's what I propose instead:

HQ
Sgt Chronus
(Command) Predator
Twin-Linked Lascannon
Lascannon Sponsons
Dozer Blade......................195pts

TROOPS
Tactical Squad
5 Additional Marines
Plasma Gun
Missile Launcher w/ Flakk
Rhino................................ 215 pts

Tactical Squad
5 Additional Marines
Plasmagun
Missile Launcher w/ Flakk
Rhino.................................215pts

FAST ATTACK
Stormtalon Gunship
Twin-linked Lascannon......125pts


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Don't get rid of the 2 flamer marine models, though. You can stick them with three marines with boltpistol and chainswords, use them as an assault marine squad, and stick them in a rhino.

@Traditio

Flack misiles are overpriced in general, I’d not reccomend them. In a list with no AA, I could see possibly putting them in a dev squad, but that’s still iffy. In a 750 list that already has a flyer, they are unnecessary. Those points would be better spent on c-plasmas for the sarges in the list you recommend.

I’ll agree on the flamers in the assault squad. I prefer them in a pod myself, but it’s a nice little unit.

 Nevelon wrote:
@Traditio

Flack misiles are overpriced in general, I’d not reccomend them. In a list with no AA, I could see possibly putting them in a dev squad, but that’s still iffy. In a 750 list that already has a flyer, they are unnecessary. Those points would be better spent on c-plasmas for the sarges in the list you recommend.

I’ll agree on the flamers in the assault squad. I prefer them in a pod myself, but it’s a nice little unit.

This.

I only recommended flakk because I couldn't think of any other use for the 20 points.

Yeah. The remaining 20 points could definitely be spent on combi-plasmas for the sergeants.

I especially recommend plasma guns for ultramarines because you can basically ignore gets hot for 2 turns of the game.

If this list eventually get expanded into a gladius strike force, you ignore gets hot for 4 turns.

okay, so here's what I'm getting:

-Too many points sunk into command tank: spend instead on plasmaguns?

-abuse Ultramarines Chapter Tactics for safer plasma use?

-combi-flamer inefficient, switch to combi-plasma?

 GamerGuy wrote:
okay, so here's what I'm getting:

-Too many points sunk into command tank: spend instead on plasmaguns?

In particular, the hunter killer missile. It's 10 points for a krak missile with infinite range. Probably not worth it on your tank.

-abuse Ultramarines Chapter Tactics for safer plasma use?

Yes.

combi-flamer inefficient, switch to combi-plasma?

Yes.

And again, just keep pistols on the sergeants; don't swap for chainswords. That's not only a useless "upgrade"; it's actually a nerf.

Thanks so much guys!

will post again when I make adjustments, probably a fresh thread in a few weeks time....

Cheers,
GamerGuy

I for one love my flamer, combi-flamer 5 man tactical squad. Costs just 85 pts, and with a DP to get them into position they can be deadly. Do they kill their points back in 1 turn? No. But the enemy needs to turn around and deal with a squad running around their DZ roasting anything in cover.

I always go for a complimentary combi-weapon to the squads special weapon. The heavy weapons never seem to get used (our guys move too much).

You dont have any grav though, so maybe add a grav cannon to one of the tactical squads? They are salvo, so they can move and shoot, and re-roll wounds (especially nice if they are sitting in a rhino firing out the top, with UM CT to re-roll hits)

I will second that SM vehicles in general are not the greatest...

A thought for expansion, wanted to know what you guys thought before I invest too much?

a Sternguard Veteran Squad with 2 Gravcannons? in a Pod?
seems like a competitive choice, with high damage output, versatile ammunition choices and (as the only pod in my list) a reliable turn 2 entrance?

-there seems to be a lot of grey knights in my local area, and that means terminators and dreadknights.....

A single pod comes in turn one. (half of them, round up)

Sternguard, especially in pods, are very good. I like HFs on them, otherwise plain. I take them for the special ammo, and want to maximize that.

That said, a pair of grav cannons would make a nasty addition. Expensive though. The frugal, point-pinching side on me would rather buy another whole unit with those points. Like a HB/TML speeder.