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Okay, so I've never been a fantasy wargamer. I love the Ogroid Thaumaturge, Kairi Acolytes and Tzaangors from the new Mystic Tower game. Let's say I went ahead and got a couple groups of the Tzaangors and Acolytes together with the Ogroid and Gaunt Summoner.

Is that a workable army for fantasy if I'm just looking looking to get into smaller to mid-sized games?

Am I going to be blowing a ton of cash to fill in the weak areas?

I really don't know anything about AoS and I don't want to get in over my head on this, so any advice would be great.

I haven't seen them yet, but the AoS rules for the stuff in the box is in this (or is it last?) weeks white dwarf. I would think a couple of sets from the tower, perhaps a box or two of regular pink horrors, some screamers and flamers and you would have a decent Tzeentch force for AoS. Mine are in the mail, looking forward to adding them to my force.

Will be fun figuring out how to use them for daemons and chaos marines in 40k.

 dracpanzer wrote:
I haven't seen them yet, but the AoS rules for the stuff in the box is in this (or is it last?) weeks white dwarf. I would think a couple of sets from the tower, perhaps a box or two of regular pink horrors, some screamers and flamers and you would have a decent Tzeentch force for AoS. Mine are in the mail, looking forward to adding them to my force.

Will be fun figuring out how to use them for daemons and chaos marines in 40k.

The Age of Sigmar Warscrolls for Silver Tower were available online from GW the weekend the game dropped.

Even better, thanks, I hadn't caught that.

How about anyone who's seen the warscrolls for the Silver Tower stuff?

Would I be looking at the same several hundred dollar investment that WFB used to have to just to get my foot in the door?

In theory, you can play age of with a single model.

It all depends on the size of games you want to play though.
The silver tower models give you a good base to start from if anything.

The horrors are great tarpits.
The ogre is a simple but effective caster/beatstick.
The gaunt summoner has a solid horde killing spell.

So yea, its pretty decent.

All depends on the size of the games you want to play as it varies alot.

 purplkrush wrote:
How about anyone who's seen the warscrolls for the Silver Tower stuff?

Would I be looking at the same several hundred dollar investment that WFB used to have to just to get my foot in the door?

Really? Size 18? What are you freaking out about?

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Ok, I think I know what you mean now. I thought you were freaking out the price tag to get into AoS is expensive like Fantasy was. I don't play so I can't say if spending the $200 (give or take where you live) is worth it or not. Why not look at the scrolls yourself and see if it's worth it for you. It all comes down to where you live, who you play and how they play. If they play small games then it won't cost a lot of money. If they play large battles, then like any game, it will cost a lot of money.

So it comes down to your players and meta.

I'm looking to do the same type of thing. Since there's no points, it's hard for people to determine "small" to "medium" type games, so I don't think you will get a straight answer.

It's definitely feasible though. The only thing you will be lacking is a monster. you can pick one up yourself, or another unit that is designed to take down monsters.

As for price, your looking at 160 for silver tower, plus another bunch of tzaangors and cultists, so call it 200 even. Probably need either a monster or another kit to take care of monsters so add another 50 and you've got a decent sized force.

@davor: Size 18 because I was typing it out on my phone. Trying to read these forums at the size font many posters use is ridiculous on a smart phone. But thank you for the otherwise completely useless commentary. There was literally nothing of use in that one.

@racta: Otherwise, I was thinking about grabbing the stuff from the set I wanted off EBay, as that could net me 2 sets of the Tzaangors and Acolytes, an Ogroid and the Gaunt Summoner for about 100ish. I'm trying to avoid Daemons, just not my cup of tea really. The rest of the models don't interest me as I'm not interested in another GW game and I'm not doing any rugs I could use them in. But damn, they're some fine ass models!

The game size thing is killing me, right now. A fantasy battle game just feels fun to me right now but I'm not into the aesthetics of any of the competitors, save for Wrath of Kings. There seem to be more WoK players here in Denver than AoS players and they aren't exactly poppin outta the woodwork.

That's why I was coming onto the boards, trying to get some useful info in regards to average game sizes and such. Unfortunately, I'm not really getting too much thus far though it's encouraging to see some other players eyeing up the Tzeentchian models for some fun play; makes me feel like I might be on the right track. Since I never played WFB the warscrolls don't mean much of anything to me.

Hey purplkrush,

There will be an official pointssystem coming out soon, so that should help with the game size problem and determining what to bring. I live in Lakewood, once I get more of my stuff done, I would be more than happy to jam a game with you.

You can check out some of the point systems on www.scrollbuilder.com, specifically pool and SCGT, to get an idea for roughly what 2000 points in the old days is for AoS (it's 20 for pool and 100 for SCGT).

Silver Tower is the start of the year of Tzeentch, so it's possible there will be better-value boxes coming out in the future rather than buying up duplicates from Silver Tower.

If you're just playing smaller games, yes, a hero and a couple of units works just fine. Games won't take long, and of course you'd want to face people with a similar size of army. The larger an army you have, the more options you would have and more potential to fully play different scenarios, of course.

@purplekrush you're getting some good advice here, but the best I've seen is that with the General's handbook coming out soon its impossible to tell you what exactly size army should look like.

The hints at the points system indicated matched play will be "balanced" at 2000 points, so using the SCGT 100 should give you a good idea of model count.

If I were you (literally what I am going to do) is scoop up the extra acolytes and tzaangors from ebay, then pick up another unit to round out the fluff/theme core of my army. Get them all painted, play some practice games to get a feel for the game and what my army will want to do, and sit and wait until the General's handbook is released.
At that point you will have a better idea of how you want to finish your army and won't have bought things you'll never use.

The Silver Tower will give you some good units and heroes to use, but you will need at least two or three boxes worth of the units to really have effective units in the game. Not a big issue since you will likely be able to pick just the Acolytes and Tzaangors up on ebay.

If you get the Silver Tower, two more units of Tzaangors and Acolytes, and a unit of Pink Horrors you'll definately have enough for a small-medium sized game. From there, adding some Chaos Warriors of Tzeentch (for some tough anvil units) and a chaos monster (Mutalith Vortex Beast could fit nicely) and you're looking at a really decent force!

Good luck!

 purplkrush wrote:
@davor: Size 18 because I was typing it out on my phone. Trying to read these forums at the size font many posters use is ridiculous on a smart phone. But thank you for the otherwise completely useless commentary. There was literally nothing of use in that one.

@racta: Otherwise, I was thinking about grabbing the stuff from the set I wanted off EBay, as that could net me 2 sets of the Tzaangors and Acolytes, an Ogroid and the Gaunt Summoner for about 100ish. I'm trying to avoid Daemons, just not my cup of tea really. The rest of the models don't interest me as I'm not interested in another GW game and I'm not doing any rugs I could use them in. But damn, they're some fine ass models!

The game size thing is killing me, right now. A fantasy battle game just feels fun to me right now but I'm not into the aesthetics of any of the competitors, save for Wrath of Kings. There seem to be more WoK players here in Denver than AoS players and they aren't exactly poppin outta the woodwork.

That's why I was coming onto the boards, trying to get some useful info in regards to average game sizes and such. Unfortunately, I'm not really getting too much thus far though it's encouraging to see some other players eyeing up the Tzeentchian models for some fun play; makes me feel like I might be on the right track. Since I never played WFB the warscrolls don't mean much of anything to me.

I am one of those very rare AoS players in the Denver metro area, I play mostly at home now, but would gladly meet you for a game at Crit Castle games in Aurora 414 S Chambers Rd, Aurora, CO 80017 sometime if you want to test out that force. I usually field 2 10 man warscrolls of crypt ghouls, 1 varghulf, and 2 5 man warscrolls of direwolves. I think your force from silver tower could put up a good fight.

As others have said, there are a few Comps out there to work with, all of which value units roughly similarly... certainly close enough to give you an idea of what the "standard" competitive game looks like unit/size wise.

I imagine the General's Handbook will become the defacto system that dethrones most of these, though rumors are we still might have some fan-fiddled systems afterwards, as the Handbook supposedly doesn't divide costs by gear-type, special characters (banner, muscian, etc...)

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
As others have said, there are a few Comps out there to work with, all of which value units roughly similarly... certainly close enough to give you an idea of what the "standard" competitive game looks like unit/size wise.

I imagine the General's Handbook will become the defacto system that dethrones most of these, though rumors are we still might have some fan-fiddled systems afterwards, as the Handbook supposedly doesn't divide costs by gear-type, special characters (banner, muscian, etc...)

Hard to say what they will do, I know that IMO the warhammer generals compendium as an absolutely amazing book. I am hoping for something here at least half as good.

 purplkrush wrote:
How about anyone who's seen the warscrolls for the Silver Tower stuff?

Would I be looking at the same several hundred dollar investment that WFB used to have to just to get my foot in the door?

You would--but that's only if you're wanting JUST the Silver Tower stuff and you want it NOW.

Picking up just the Tzeentch Arcanites stuff(Ogroid Thaumaturge, Gaunt Summoner, Familiars, Kairic Acolytes, and Tzaangors) is a pretty solid core for a Tzeentch Arcanites force. The models are likely going to see release in a box with multiple loadouts later on this year or the next.

As another bit of advice, buy silver tower at a discount on then sell off what you don't want from it.

I've essentially got all the tzeentch models and I'm £5 up lol.
Just need to break it down and sell off the rubbish.

Do that with 2 sets and you have the start of an army.

@purplkrush and King of Kings

Hey. I would be down with a rotating meet for AoS with you guys. I used to play Malifaux at Crit Castle.

 NH Gunsmith wrote:
@purplkrush and King of Kings

Hey. I would be down with a rotating meet for AoS with you guys. I used to play Malifaux at Crit Castle.

Sounds good here. May even be able to get folks interested.

What is the last Tzeentch-y model in Silver Tower? The one with the 2-handed staff/ axe, horns and a beaklike nose?

 thekingofkings wrote:

 NH Gunsmith wrote:
@purplkrush and King of Kings

Hey. I would be down with a rotating meet for AoS with you guys. I used to play Malifaux at Crit Castle.

Sounds good here. May even be able to get folks interested.

Fantastic, I am still rebasing stuff and getting ready for the General's Handbook but I have;

Teclis
Tyrion
Allarielle
Korhil
BsB
Generic Noble on Foot
Mounted Mage
Mage on Foot
20x White Lions
20x Dragon Princes
20x Shadow Warriors
10x Ellyrian Reavers
2x Repeater Bolt Throwers.

I am down for whatever guys. If you guys wouldn't mind traveling to Colpar Hobbies here in Lakewood every now and then to help me grow it here as well, I would meet you guys wherever.


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I wouldn't mind the Denver GW either, have either of you guys been to that one?

Well effin-a gentlemen. Sounds like we may have a solid group here. I'll hop on the Evil E and see what I can do to put together that MQ force.

This is awesome! I really like those models and was hoping to find someone to game with. It'll take me a couple of weeks to get things shipped and at least assembled. Think we could put something together by late June-early-July?

 purplkrush wrote:
Well effin-a gentlemen. Sounds like we may have a solid group here. I'll hop on the Evil E and see what I can do to put together that MQ force.

This is awesome! I really like those models and was hoping to find someone to game with. It'll take me a couple of weeks to get things shipped and at least assembled. Think we could put something together by late June-early-July?

That sounds great to me.

 NH Gunsmith wrote:

 purplkrush wrote:
Well effin-a gentlemen. Sounds like we may have a solid group here. I'll hop on the Evil E and see what I can do to put together that MQ force.

This is awesome! I really like those models and was hoping to find someone to game with. It'll take me a couple of weeks to get things shipped and at least assembled. Think we could put something together by late June-early-July?

That sounds great to me.

I am currently playing today in my basement, yeah I am one of those trolls, but I will be ready for that time,. I have every force in at least some strength except fyreslayers and ogres, but working that. I may not rebase them all but since it doesnt matter I am ready to play. Colpar is the same as the one in Denver? I can look that one up.

Alrighty, gentlemen! I've got 2 sets of Kairic Acolytes, 1 set of Tzaangors, 1 Ogroid and 1 Summoner coming in the mail. Should be receiving it all by mid June. Looking for another set of Tzaangors but they shot up in price on EBay pretty quickly. As it is a Tzeentch based army, for a monstrous creature, would any conglomerate/hybrid creature be a good choice, thematically? Like a Chimera or something like that? Or are those traditionally "good" creatures?

So if you gents are still up for it, I should have a built army ready to go by the end of June. Painting it fully will take a bit longer but playability should have been achieved!

 purplkrush wrote:
Alrighty, gentlemen! I've got 2 sets of Kairic Acolytes, 1 set of Tzaangors, 1 Ogroid and 1 Summoner coming in the mail. Should be receiving it all by mid June. Looking for another set of Tzaangors but they shot up in price on EBay pretty quickly. As it is a Tzeentch based army, for a monstrous creature, would any conglomerate/hybrid creature be a good choice, thematically? Like a Chimera or something like that? Or are those traditionally "good" creatures?

So if you gents are still up for it, I should have a built army ready to go by the end of June. Painting it fully will take a bit longer but playability should have been achieved!

I am still up for fightin near the end of june (still fighting now, and thanks to the thread where MongooseMatt is showin his stuff, may have 2 more players.) I also have a new set of silver tower (which I bought for the spider grots ) Was gonna trade off alot of the models, but I will hold the tzaangors for our fights if you want me to.

@thekingofkings & purplkrush

Hey, just let me know when you guys are down to play. I have a Sunday group from 11-3 at Colpar Hobbies in Lakewood going right now. Right now the guys are mostly playing X-Wing and Warmachine. I introduced a few of them to Malifaux last week, and one of the guys will start bringing his Infinity stuff. The tables are completely open on Sundays except for us, and the first Sunday of every month there is a group of modellers that come down. But I am still down for a rotating schedule to go to different stores.

 NH Gunsmith wrote:
@thekingofkings & purplkrush

Hey, just let me know when you guys are down to play. I have a Sunday group from 11-3 at Colmar Hobbies in Lakewood going right now. Right now the guys are mostly playing X-Wing and Warmachine. I introduced a few of them to Malifaux last week, and one of the guys will start bringing his Infinity stuff. The tables are completely open on Sundays except for us, and the first Sunday of every month there is a group of modellers that come down. But I am still down for a rotating schedule to go to different stores.

anyone there play battletech at all? but yeah, will have to gather up my troops.

I don't know, some of the guys play some other games. Our group is really just getting going again.