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I've been told that dreadnoughts can sit inside lucius pattern dreadnoughts but I can't find that specific rule anywhere, any help?

Or can units in general sit inside drop pods the turn they arrive?

 Aijec wrote:
I've been told that dreadnoughts can sit inside lucius pattern dreadnoughts but I can't find that specific rule anywhere, any help?

There is no such rule for the Lucius Pattern Dreadnought Drop Pod in Imperial Armour Volume 2 Second Edition - War Machines of the Adeptus Astartes.

The Legion Dreadnought Drop's 'Drop Pod Assault' special rule does state the Dreadnought inside need not disembark when it arrives.

Or can units in general sit inside drop pods the turn they arrive?

The standard Drop Pod rules are very clear about this. The last sentence of its 'Drop Pod Assault' rule answers this question.

Mr. Shine wrote:There is no such rule for the Lucius Pattern Dreadnought Drop Pod in Imperial Armour Volume 2 Second Edition - War Machines of the Adeptus Astartes.

The Legion Dreadnought Drop's 'Drop Pod Assault' special rule does state the Dreadnought inside need not disembark when it arrives.

This angers me. I've played against someone who made this very claim, i.e., that dreadnoughts can stay in their lucius pattern dreadnought drop pods!

Can you use the legion drop-pod in a normal 40k game?

Traditio wrote:
This angers me. I've played against someone who made this very claim, i.e., that dreadnoughts can stay in their lucius pattern dreadnought drop pods!

That's not quite what I said - I said that there's no rule stating a Dreadnought may sit inside the Lucuis Pattern Dreadnought Drop Pod.

Can you use the legion drop-pod in a normal 40k game?

Not outside of a Space Marine Legion Crusade detachment, I believe.

In the space marine codex the last sentence of the Drop Pod Assault special rule reads: "Once a Drop Pod has landed, all passengers must disembark and no models can embark for the rest of the game."

As this sentence does not exist in the Lucius pattern entry, the unit inside (ie. a dreadnought) does not have to disembark.

Edit: note that this also implies a dreadnought could embark in the Pod later in the game

Hmm interesting.

It appears pretty valid although I wish they would explicitly state it instead of just NOT stating the opposite.

It's pretty clear that the pod was made to be assaulted out of so that implies the dread can sit inside.

Otherwise what else would it be for?

I thought rule set was permissive(as seen a fair amount of threads where people have claimed that)? Because it does not say I can't that means I can seems to be the case for keeping the dread in the pod even though every other pod says you must disembark.
The rules for pod allow you to shot through it and gives a 2+ cover save from anything that does (turn it arrives).

Bullveye wrote:
I thought rule set was permissive(as seen a fair amount of threads where people have claimed that)? Because it does not say I can't that means I can seems to be the case for keeping the dread in the pod even though every other pod says you must disembark.
The rules for pod allow you to shot through it and gives a 2+ cover save from anything that does (turn it arrives).

Normal transport rules give you permission to stay in transports. Drop Pod Assault on normal drop pods modiefies these rule by forcing you to disembark. Since Lucius DPs don't modify the normal transport rules like that, you get to to continue using normal transports and stay inside a transport.

Bullveye wrote:
I thought rule set was permissive(as seen a fair amount of threads where people have claimed that)? Because it does not say I can't that means I can seems to be the case for keeping the dread in the pod even though every other pod says you must disembark.
The rules for pod allow you to shot through it and gives a 2+ cover save from anything that does (turn it arrives).

That's not what permissive means. The rule set tells you everything you CAN do.... not what you can not. There is no rule that says I can not jump up and down on your models while screaming "apocalyptic barrage"... but since the rules do not grant me permission to do it, I can not.

Fair enough then. Don't use dread pods walk mine up lol (not a competive bunch here and if using them have 3 )

How do you work out LoS through the drop pod when shooting? For saves and shrouded from pod first turn rule (can't remember what called)? Do you just use the shrouded rule or..?

Bullveye wrote:
Fair enough then. Don't use dread pods walk mine up lol (not a competive bunch here and if using them have 3 )

How do you work out LoS through the drop pod when shooting? For saves and shrouded from pod first turn rule (can't remember what called)? Do you just use the shrouded rule or..?

"through"?

If you're still embarked on a Drop Pod - refer to the Transport rules. You cannot be targeted while embarked.
If you're not embarked: Intervening model rules, 25% for vehicles like Walkers. The special rule for the drop pod tells you who benefits from Shrouded via Burning Retros VERY specifically, so please check your IA2 2ndEd (p160) for that.

Bullveye wrote:
How do you work out LoS through the drop pod when shooting?

Just like you would for any other model that would potentially be in the way. You determine Line of Sight as normal...

For saves and shrouded from pod first turn rule (can't remember what called)? Do you just use the shrouded rule or..?

It depends on what the actual rule says.

Bullveye wrote:The rules for pod allow you to shot through it and gives a 2+ cover save from anything that does (turn it arrives).

Bullveye wrote:For saves and shrouded from pod first turn rule (can't remember what called)? Do you just use the shrouded rule or..?

Where is this rule..?

 Brother Payne wrote:

Bullveye wrote:The rules for pod allow you to shot through it and gives a 2+ cover save from anything that does (turn it arrives).

Bullveye wrote:For saves and shrouded from pod first turn rule (can't remember what called)? Do you just use the shrouded rule or..?

Where is this rule..?

Imperial Armour 2 Second Edition, p. 160. What Bullveye wrote isn't correct, the Lucius Drop Pod grants regular Shrouded. Who exactly benefits from it is written on that page.

nekooni wrote:

 Brother Payne wrote:

Bullveye wrote:The rules for pod allow you to shot through it and gives a 2+ cover save from anything that does (turn it arrives).

Bullveye wrote:For saves and shrouded from pod first turn rule (can't remember what called)? Do you just use the shrouded rule or..?

Where is this rule..?

Imperial Armour 2 Second Edition, p. 160. What Bullveye wrote isn't correct, the Lucius Drop Pod grants regular Shrouded. Who exactly benefits from it is written on that page.

Thanks

You are correct I wrote it wrong could of put it better.
Burning retros grants Shrouded to any unit that is targeted where the LOS passes through or over the drop pod on turn it arrives. Plus the other part for the Dreadnaught if it disembarks.

For what its worth, I emailed the FW guys with that specific question on the Lucius Pattern and the answer was that the rules for that variant did not require the dread to disembark on the turn it arrived. I was confused as it being an assault vehicle didn't make much sense if the dread could not assault due to DS, but by staying on board it gains protection for that one turn then can assault out on the next.

 Traditio wrote:
Can you use the legion drop-pod in a normal 40k game?

Unless you are using a Legion army, no.

 ah64pilot5 wrote:
For what its worth, I emailed the FW guys with that specific question on the Lucius Pattern and the answer was that the rules for that variant did not require the dread to disembark on the turn it arrived. I was confused as it being an assault vehicle didn't make much sense if the dread could not assault due to DS, but by staying on board it gains protection for that one turn then can assault out on the next.

All Drop Pods are Assault Vehicles, not just the Lucius.

 Charistoph wrote:

 ah64pilot5 wrote:
For what its worth, I emailed the FW guys with that specific question on the Lucius Pattern and the answer was that the rules for that variant did not require the dread to disembark on the turn it arrived. I was confused as it being an assault vehicle didn't make much sense if the dread could not assault due to DS, but by staying on board it gains protection for that one turn then can assault out on the next.

All Drop Pods are Assault Vehicles, not just the Lucius.

In particular they are Open-topped Vehicles, which carry the Assault Vehicle special rule. So somewhat coincidental that they have the rule.

 Mr. Shine wrote:

 Charistoph wrote:

 ah64pilot5 wrote:
For what its worth, I emailed the FW guys with that specific question on the Lucius Pattern and the answer was that the rules for that variant did not require the dread to disembark on the turn it arrived. I was confused as it being an assault vehicle didn't make much sense if the dread could not assault due to DS, but by staying on board it gains protection for that one turn then can assault out on the next.

All Drop Pods are Assault Vehicles, not just the Lucius.

In particular they are Open-topped Vehicles, which carry the Assault Vehicle special rule. So somewhat coincidental that they have the rule.

I hadn't thought of this. Despite that, the Lucius is the only one that can effectively use the rule by keeping the Dread in there for a turn, as DSing troops can't assault the turn they arrive. Worth noting that it being open topped, the dread can still shoot out of the Pod whilst remaining inside (so don't feel the need to get him out).

Another use I think the Lucius has might be to stick it on an objective and have a squishy obsec unit come and hide in it as there is no sentence stating you cannot embark later in the game (guard allies maybe?).

I assume that dreadnought have 360 degree firing arc while embarked, measured from the drop pod hull. Also he can fire overwatch at unit that charges that drop pod?

He would be treated exactly the same as any other unit embarked on an open topped transport.

Bullveye wrote:
I thought rule set was permissive(as seen a fair amount of threads where people have claimed that)? Because it does not say I can't that means I can seems to be the case for keeping the dread in the pod even though every other pod says you must disembark.
The rules for pod allow you to shot through it and gives a 2+ cover save from anything that does (turn it arrives).

A drop pod is a type of transport that holds a unit, this one in particular holds (inside) a dreadnought. The ruling for other drop pods explicitly state that the unit must disembark.

Normally units can stay embarked in transports unless they disembark. You are given permission from the BRB to stay inside a transport.