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Objective Secured is a unit rule. So if a Tactical Squad with OS is joined by an IC, and the IC is the only member of the unit within 3 inches of an objective, they count as holding it. That's easy.

What if an IC has OS and joins a non OS unit? Would the the rule still apply to the whole squad, or would you have to get the IC within 3 inches?

As the IC is now a part of the unit, and OS is a unit rule, I would play it as the unit now has OS until the IC leaves it.

Well, by the strictest reading of the RAW...

Combined Arms Detachment, Command Benefits wrote:Objective Secured: All Troop units from this Detachment have the Objective Secured special rule.

Independent Character, Joining and Leaving a Unit wrote:While an Independent Character is part of a unit, he counts as part of the unit for all rules purposes, though he still follows the rules for characters.

So, by this reading, while he is with that other unit, he is a part of THAT unit, and THAT unit's battlefield role is unchanged. If it wasn't a unit with Objective Secured naturally, it won't have objective secured. Now, I'm using CAD here as the example, but while an IC is a part of another squad, they're just another model in THAT squad, and his own unit rules no longer matter.

THAT SAID...

HIWPI: GW's current FAQ stance seems to be leaning more towards IC's being separate and distinct from the unit they're in, so I think by that, even though the IC's unit is no longer really in existence, if the IC has ObSec, I'm pretty sure they'd ObSec the objective.

 Yarium wrote:
Well, by the strictest reading of the RAW...

Combined Arms Detachment, Command Benefits wrote:Objective Secured: All Troop units from this Detachment have the Objective Secured special rule.

Independent Character, Joining and Leaving a Unit wrote:While an Independent Character is part of a unit, he counts as part of the unit for all rules purposes, though he still follows the rules for characters.

So, by this reading, while he is with that other unit, he is a part of THAT unit, and THAT unit's battlefield role is unchanged. If it wasn't a unit with Objective Secured naturally, it won't have objective secured. Now, I'm using CAD here as the example, but while an IC is a part of another squad, they're just another model in THAT squad, and his own unit rules no longer matter.

THAT SAID...

HIWPI: GW's current FAQ stance seems to be leaning more towards IC's being separate and distinct from the unit they're in, so I think by that, even though the IC's unit is no longer really in existence, if the IC has ObSec, I'm pretty sure they'd ObSec the objective.

Pretty much.

When it comes to rules assigned by the detachment, IC's are not part of the unit according to the GW DRAFT FAQ.

What rule is giving OS specifically to the IC and how is it worded?

col_impact wrote:
What rule is giving OS specifically to the IC and how is it worded?

The same as it does for Stubborn.

But we've been over that WAY too many times.

I would argue with the new ruling that he alone has ObSec while in the unit, and you can measure from him to determine whether you are within range of an objective. I still believe the unit doesn't benefit from his rules, regardless of whether they defined that he himself is still himself in a unit.

Except you measure according to the base rules for measuring, as you have no permission to mesaure to the model, just the unit.