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ETC rules state that intercept shots must be made at targets you can see.

Warp spiders deep strike in, SMS of riptides intercept. Flicker jump puts them out of line of sight, the missiles don't require LoS, can they still fire?

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Per ETC rules, no, as Intercept still requires LoS.

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But when the target was declared, the unit did have line of sight.
After the Flicker Jump, does the entire shooting process start over, or has the target already been legally declared and you just recheck range and line of sight?

And what's the exact wording of the ETC house rule?

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 Happyjew wrote:
Per ETC rules, no, as Intercept still requires LoS.


Surely that cant be the case. Intercept has already been validated at that point. Flicker is just the reaction to the intercept. Even though they are now out of sight, resolving the weapon can still take place as the SMS doesn't need LoS to hit them.

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That may be how the ITC interprets the rules, but codex > BRB. Homing allows you to fire on targets out of line of site. The ITC says you can't.

Just remember the rules for regular games because not all use the its rule set.

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First, the rule in question (emphasis added).

A model with the intercept rule, or weapons with the intercept rule, can intercept fire with as many
weapons as he would be allowed to in the shooting phase. Use all the normal restrictions that apply
during the shooting phase, (pick unit, pick weapon, shoot target, work out damage if any, pick next unit,
…), with the exception that special rules and abilities that only apply during the shooting phase cannot be
used. Weapons that normally do not require line of sight will still need to see the target as per the
intercept rule.
The intercept USR cannot be used while embarked on a transport, even if it has firepoints.
Models or units firing Intercept count as stationary for the attack, even if they moved in their preceding
turn.


Per the shooting phase, you do not need LoS until, you have declared a target, and chosen a weapon in range.

As such, based on the Shooting sequence, and the above faq, when you choose a weapon (which is after the Spiders jump) you need LoS.

Otherwise -
Dev squad with 4 plasma cannons choose to shoot at Warp Spiders. Warp Spiders jump. Can the Devs still fire their Plasma Cannons? Thy had LoS when the target was chosen, and blast weapon wound pools don't empty due to LoS (theoretically).

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ETC rules so just make sure you ask a TO if its a tournament. I have to veer towards the answer that you'd still need line of sight, but I'm not completely sure

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Don't forget that Line of Sight is also a consideration when allocating Wounds. If they don't get ignore Line of Sight when Rolling To Hit, why would they get it when Wounding?

That being said, allowing for the number of Weapons to work with Interceptor, but not allowing for them to ignore Line of Sight is pretty low and reeks of favoritism. One reason I do not care for ITC.

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Charistoph, the ruling was based on the rules for Interceptor (target within range and line of sight).

Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
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 Happyjew wrote:
Charistoph, the ruling was based on the rules for Interceptor (target within range and line of sight).

The same rules that always apply to regular shooting. SMS ignores Line of Sight, not just during the Shooting Phase, but at all times. In addition, it is a codex rule, which means its requirements and options should supercede Interceptor's requirements.

But hey, it's ITC's House Rules, and their choice to be stupid. I don't have to play by them, even less since the LGS whose manager pushed ITC closed.

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 Charistoph wrote:
 Happyjew wrote:
Charistoph, the ruling was based on the rules for Interceptor (target within range and line of sight).

The same rules that always apply to regular shooting. SMS ignores Line of Sight, not just during the Shooting Phase, but at all times. In addition, it is a codex rule, which means its requirements and options should supercede Interceptor's requirements.

But hey, it's ITC's House Rules, and their choice to be stupid. I don't have to play by them, even less since the LGS whose manager pushed ITC closed.


I agree that it is ETC's house rule and no one is forcing you to play that way. However, before you even get to shooting with the weapon, you would first need LoS in order to shoot Interceptor.

Normal shooting does not require LoS to choose a target. Interceptor requires LoS to choose the target. That is the difference.

Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
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 Happyjew wrote:
I agree that it is ETC's house rule and no one is forcing you to play that way. However, before you even get to shooting with the weapon, you would first need LoS in order to shoot Interceptor.

Normal shooting does not require LoS to choose a target. Interceptor requires LoS to choose the target. That is the difference.

Um... Not quite.
CHOOSE A TARGET
Once you have chosen the unit that you want to shoot with, choose a single enemy unit for them to shoot at. To do so, you must check the range and line of sight from your unit to the enemy unit you are targeting. Note that you may check the range and line of sight to multiple enemy units before deciding which one to shoot at and declaring it to your opponent. You cannot target a unit that is locked in combat.

Line of Sight
To target an enemy unit, at least one model must have line of sight to at least one model in the target unit. If no model has line of sight, then a different target must be chosen.

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 Charistoph wrote:
 Happyjew wrote:
I agree that it is ETC's house rule and no one is forcing you to play that way. However, before you even get to shooting with the weapon, you would first need LoS in order to shoot Interceptor.

Normal shooting does not require LoS to choose a target. Interceptor requires LoS to choose the target. That is the difference.

Um... Not quite.
CHOOSE A TARGET
Once you have chosen the unit that you want to shoot with, choose a single enemy unit for them to shoot at. To do so, you must check the range and line of sight from your unit to the enemy unit you are targeting. Note that you may check the range and line of sight to multiple enemy units before deciding which one to shoot at and declaring it to your opponent. You cannot target a unit that is locked in combat.

Line of Sight
To target an enemy unit, at least one model must have line of sight to at least one model in the target unit. If no model has line of sight, then a different target must be chosen.


Yeah my bad. I had briefly perused the shooting sequence earlier to refresh my memory, and glossed over that point.

Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
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 Charistoph wrote:
Don't forget that Line of Sight is also a consideration when allocating Wounds. If they don't get ignore Line of Sight when Rolling To Hit, why would they get it when Wounding?

That being said, allowing for the number of Weapons to work with Interceptor, but not allowing for them to ignore Line of Sight is pretty low and reeks of favoritism. One reason I do not care for ITC.


They are discussion the ETC; might want to check your ITC hate into a different thread.

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gungo wrote:
 Charistoph wrote:
Don't forget that Line of Sight is also a consideration when allocating Wounds. If they don't get ignore Line of Sight when Rolling To Hit, why would they get it when Wounding?

That being said, allowing for the number of Weapons to work with Interceptor, but not allowing for them to ignore Line of Sight is pretty low and reeks of favoritism. One reason I do not care for ITC.

They are discussion the ETC; might want to check your ITC hate into a different thread.

Then they might want to keep ETC questions to the ETC forum then if they don't want other thoughts presented. I addressed the statements and questions and left the comments as side liners instead of just trying to present complaints.

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