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Well we already know about a bunch of different worlds that produce our favorite Imperial Guard regiments...... Cadia, Catachan, Krieg, etc...

But have any worlds ever been identified for producing good Comissars?

It would be difficult to attribute the success of a Comissar to it's homeworld, since they are all orphans taken to, raised an trained in a Schola Progenium. So the answer would be any world that has a Schola.

Yes, most Commissar probably don't even know their homeworld, and even if they do they will likely not have any kind of attachement to it. Future Commissars are orphans of Imperial officials, taken from their homeworlds and raised in the Schola Progenium.
Terra is likely to be the world producing the most Commissars since it has by far the highest number of Imperial officials of any world in the Imperium.

Terrax is known to have many Scholas Progenium, and its regiments are extremely well-disciplined.

But yes, as Engrenages said, all Scholas will produce Commissars. Most will begin as Storm Troopers, advancing to the Officio Prefectus when they show particular promise.

So are you all asserting that there is no variation whatsoever in Schola Progenium education across the whole Milky Way?

That while that the character of a certain world like say Krieg, can irrevocably mark the psychology/tactics/training of an Imperial Guard unit - Comissar training somehow insulates candidates from picking up any "local" characteristics?

The cadian sector due to very nature may have higher than average count of schola facilities.

no.

but then commissars are a product of their training in the schola progenium not of their homeworld

Active massive warzone. Previous black crusades and raiding activity.

Alot of potential for orphons..

Didn't the Harakoni had a large ammount of Commissars? Or am I mistaking it with Terrax?

Spineyguy wrote:Terrax is known to have many Scholas Progenium, and its regiments are extremely well-disciplined.

But yes, as Engrenages said, all Scholas will produce Commissars. Most will begin as Storm Troopers, advancing to the Officio Prefectus when they show particular promise.

Uh, what? Stormtrooper and Commissar are entirely different selection paths.

Good soldiers go to the Stormtroopers. Men of extreme faith go to the Commissariat. As far as the Schola is concerned, they're the male equivalent to the Sororitas.

GrapeApe wrote:So are you all asserting that there is no variation whatsoever in Schola Progenium education across the whole Milky Way?

That while that the character of a certain world like say Krieg, can irrevocably mark the psychology/tactics/training of an Imperial Guard unit - Comissar training somehow insulates candidates from picking up any "local" characteristics?

Yes, it will. The schola is like a boarding school. A whole different, isolated culture.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

GrapeApe wrote:So are you all asserting that there is no variation whatsoever in Schola Progenium education across the whole Milky Way?

That while that the character of a certain world like say Krieg, can irrevocably mark the psychology/tactics/training of an Imperial Guard unit - Comissar training somehow insulates candidates from picking up any "local" characteristics?

Yes, it will. The schola is like a boarding school. A whole different, isolated culture.

As Guard regiments are raised from one world to go fight on worlds they don't have any emotional ties to, so Commissars are brought in from outside the world's culture- insulating them from any trace of sentiment that might impede them shooting cowards in the face.
The tribal Catachans are notorious for 'accidents' happening to their 'Offworlder' commissars .

 Furyou Miko wrote:

Spineyguy wrote:Terrax is known to have many Scholas Progenium, and its regiments are extremely well-disciplined.

But yes, as Engrenages said, all Scholas will produce Commissars. Most will begin as Storm Troopers, advancing to the Officio Prefectus when they show particular promise.

Uh, what? Stormtrooper and Commissar are entirely different selection paths.

Good soldiers go to the Stormtroopers. Men of extreme faith go to the Commissariat. As far as the Schola is concerned, they're the male equivalent to the Sororitas.

GrapeApe wrote:So are you all asserting that there is no variation whatsoever in Schola Progenium education across the whole Milky Way?

That while that the character of a certain world like say Krieg, can irrevocably mark the psychology/tactics/training of an Imperial Guard unit - Comissar training somehow insulates candidates from picking up any "local" characteristics?

Yes, it will. The schola is like a boarding school. A whole different, isolated culture.

I think that this piece of fluff about Commissars starting out as ST's is from the 5th edition Guard codex. True story.

GrapeApe wrote:
So are you all asserting that there is no variation whatsoever in Schola Progenium education across the whole Milky Way?

That while that the character of a certain world like say Krieg, can irrevocably mark the psychology/tactics/training of an Imperial Guard unit - Comissar training somehow insulates candidates from picking up any "local" characteristics?

Yes. Prospective Commissars are taken when they are just small children, before they can become ingrained into their culture. The norms and values of any scoiety exect that of the Schola would be a great hindrance to the work of a Commissar since they will serve with regiments from completely different worlds that might have completely different norms and values that otherwise would have been incompatible with those held by the Commissar.

From a real-world sociological perspective, i have to say I find the Schola's ability to effectively reproduce a uniform pedagogy to be somewhat....well.... amazing.

That no variation could occur anywhere whatsoever, whether the person is being trained on Cadia, Terra, or Catachan seems quite strange.

Ah well, its fiction..

I actually fluffed out an agriworld where over 75% of the (non-servitor) workers were female. The reason? As soon as any boy hit puberty, they were taken by the schola progenorum (I know I didn't spell that right). The "Graduation Ceremony" for them was to masturbate into a cup to keep the cycle repeating endlessly. So basically, the women's job was to make babies and task the servitors, the men were all shipped to Stormtrooper schools, and any woman who was infertile was thrown to the SoB.

Could you imagine a life like that?

"Oh, is this my first? Goodness no, I've had plenty of children. Thirty seven, to be exact. All by different fathers, whom I never met. All shipped off to different fronts around the Imperium. Most of them are probably dead. Oops, there's the contractions starting, would you be a dear and get me to the medicae?"


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 Iron_Captain wrote:

GrapeApe wrote:
So are you all asserting that there is no variation whatsoever in Schola Progenium education across the whole Milky Way?

That while that the character of a certain world like say Krieg, can irrevocably mark the psychology/tactics/training of an Imperial Guard unit - Comissar training somehow insulates candidates from picking up any "local" characteristics?

Yes. Prospective Commissars are taken when they are just small children, before they can become ingrained into their culture. The norms and values of any scoiety exect that of the Schola would be a great hindrance to the work of a Commissar since they will serve with regiments from completely different worlds that might have completely different norms and values that otherwise would have been incompatible with those held by the Commissar.

Not necessarily true. I've read a few books where the commissar in question took some attributes from his culture/homeworld. Honour Imperialis' "Cadian Blood" strikes me at the moment.

Randomrolls wrote:
I actually fluffed out an agriworld where over 75% of the (non-servitor) workers were female. The reason? As soon as any boy hit puberty, they were taken by the schola progenorum (I know I didn't spell that right). The "Graduation Ceremony" for them was to masturbate into a cup to keep the cycle repeating endlessly. So basically, the women's job was to make babies and task the servitors, the men were all shipped to Stormtrooper schools, and any woman who was infertile was thrown to the SoB.

Could you imagine a life like that?

"Oh, is this my first? Goodness no, I've had plenty of children. Thirty seven, to be exact. All by different fathers, whom I never met. All shipped off to different fronts around the Imperium. Most of them are probably dead. Oops, there's the contractions starting, would you be a dear and get me to the medicae?"

Pfft. Some random infertile wouldn't even make the standard for the Battle Sisters. She'd be shipped off to the Administratum with the vast majority of other progena.

GrapeApe wrote:
So are you all asserting that there is no variation whatsoever in Schola Progenium education across the whole Milky Way?

That while that the character of a certain world like say Krieg, can irrevocably mark the psychology/tactics/training of an Imperial Guard unit - Comissar training somehow insulates candidates from picking up any "local" characteristics?

Correct. A Schola Progenium is a Schola Progenium. They are run as near-identically on one world as they are on any other. From its ranks of graduates come members of the Ecclesiarchy, members of the Administratum, Commissars, the members of the Storm Trooper Regiment and the members of the Adepta Sororitas.

To produce particularly good Commissars, a planet or system would simply have slightly better staff, instructors/priests etc. at their Scholas. Much in the way some colleges and universities have better faculty than others.

You could easily fluff a planet or system which had produced more famous commissars than other planets or systems etc. But they would not be physically different, nor would they benefit from any cultural specialties of the worlds they are raised on.

They indeed all start as orphans from well-to-do Imperium families, etc. It isn't made clear where they are sent to Scholas either --- it may not be on their homeworld or anywhere close.

In 'Cain's Last Stand', he was portrayed in his later years instructing in a scholarium, he had a handful of recruits, some quite bright.