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To be specific, would you find it acceptable if I showed up with a 4th edition ork codex list to a normal (7th edition) pickup game ?

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Not a pickup game no. If you told me in advance and let me do the same then I'd give it a go.

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Mixing editions no. As stated above. You want to play 4th I'll play 4th.
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If you gave me a heads up, sure, I'd try it out. If you just showed up with it, no.

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 jreilly89 wrote:
If you gave me a heads up, sure, I'd try it out. If you just showed up with it, no.


This.

I’ll let almost anything slide if you give me warning. You want to play 4th ed orcs? I’ll dust off my 4th ed marines and we can go a round. No grav, no cents, no flyers. I will adjust my chapter tactics though with the old 4th ed build-a-chapter rules.

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There is not a single "old" Codex that is as "broken" as the current crop of top-tier stuff, so bring whatever Codex you want for your minis.

Just don't mix Codices within a detachment. If you want to play 4E Orks, great! Play 4E Orks! If you want to attach Allies from the 7E Ork books, fine, go do that! Just don't show up with some mishmash of Ork stuff from all of the Ork Codices in one big pile.

   
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No, as said before- if you're using a 4th codex then play 4th edition.

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Nothing as old as fourth unless I was playing it too. But I give leeway to say sixth with references to the 7th because most changes were not that big.

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If it still works, why not. It's your handicap to play with older rules, not mine. But stick to one codex, no mixing of several editions.
   
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I see no reason to say no, provided you tell me in advance and truly know what you're doing (no rules mixing).

With minor adjustments here and there, most (if not all) codices from 3rd edition onwards are pretty compatible with the current ruleset. It's not like 40k has evolved a lot over the years, they've just shoehorned stuff after stuff more than anything else.

Progress is like a herd of pigs: everybody is interested in the produced benefits, but nobody wants to deal with all the resulting gak.

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Exactly. The rules and such are compatible from 3E going forward. And the farther back you go, the more Codex creep you give up. One could even go so far as to play a 3E Rulebook army sans Codex under the current rules. It'd suck, and you'd get crushed, but still, it'd be possible.

For the boon of variety, I simply cannot see why so many people are against allowing someone to play their models in a different way.

It's narrow-headedness like this which encourages everybody to play Decurion / Superfriends and ruin the metagame.

   
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What's the problem with using a book from a previous edition? It's because every few years GW releases a new edition of the game which breaks each of the existing books in various ways enough that they need to be FAQ'd.

So you're asking to play the game of "How long do you want to spend discussing the rules (and how they've changed since that book was written) before you actually play today?"
   
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Not true. Go back to the 40k3 rulebook, and tell me what's broken in the SM list under 7E rules. Go on..

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Possibly. Just let me know in advance. If there are rules that don't exist anymore let me know your plan for using them in the current system ect. Have a game plan, make it balanced, and be cool. Those are the keys to get me to consider it. However if your just doing it to cheese I'll likely say no.

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 Gamgee wrote:
Possibly. Just let me know in advance. If there are rules that don't exist anymore let me know your plan for using them in the current system ect. Have a game plan, make it balanced, and be cool. Those are the keys to get me to consider it. However if your just doing it to cheese I'll likely say no.


It's not even that easy to "cheese" with old edition codices. Take the dreaded and loathed (by loyalist marines) 3.5 CSM codex. There are some combinations in there that are still powerful on a 7th edition table, but the points costs of that era make everything simply overcosted by today's standards. If you get caught by the daemonic-sized daemon prince with magic axe that negates invul saves, you'll probably get mauled as hard as you would have in 3rd ed., but he'll be very expensive by 7th ed. standards, and considering the firepower many current armies have, he'll likely get shot out of the table before moving a foot.

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Suppose it's 1850 pts of 3.5 CSM Iron Warriors with 2 Vindis and 2 Dreads. Back then, that 4th Heavy was a big deal. Very scary.

Now drop 1850 pts of Decurion / Knights / Superfriends on the board and who wins? The Decurion-type armies should win convincingly 90+% of the time, losing <10% only due to atrocious luck.

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Indeed. In that case I would allow both those armies. However I don't tend to use a super cheesy Tau list. My friends think I do, but they are without a doubt the worst players I've ever seen in my life.

They never did let me use any of my formations. So my Kauyon/Mont'ka books rules went to waste. Wouldn't let me use my Stormsurge either by the end. I mean if I kick their ass consecutively multiple times with Kroot spam you know they are some grad A dumb asses.

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No unless it's 6th Ed tau. It's basically the same book as now, with less op.
   
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Drakka77 wrote:
Nothing as old as fourth unless


I don't know if it changes your opinion if I called it the "previous ork codex" ; )

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I would be fine with it if you asked before-hand if you could use the book. If we arranged a game and you just showed up with the 4th edition Ork codex then no. Just give me a heads up about it and I'd be fine with it though.

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Yes. Just tell me ahead of time. I'll bring my 5E DE and we can have a good ol time!

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 oldzoggy wrote:
Drakka77 wrote:
Nothing as old as fourth unless


I don't know if it changes your opinion if I called it the "previous ork codex" ; )


FWIW, I still play the previous IG Codex, refusing to buy the current IG Codex.

   
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Well, we are not that liberal in our gaming group. Only actual codices please.

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 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, we are not that liberal in our gaming group. Only actual codices please.


They are actual codexes. And top of that weaker than current ones...

But if you limit codexes because they are too weak guess you ban all codexes bar eldar then.

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From the recent faq from GW:

Q: What books/codexes/supplements are the most current?
A: We recommend you use the latest published books that are in your collection - the copyright date (which is usually beneath the contents) will let you know which book is the most recent. Some older books might not work with the latest rules, and it’s up to you and your opponent to agree which to use.

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If I already knew you and you contacted me ahead of time asking to use it, sure! Hell, I might even break out my army's 4th ed codex in kind. If you were some random guy at the game store who just busted out an old codex without warning, I'd be kinda cagey about it.

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