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Looking at running a mechanised list using the emperor first formation and some troops and artillery.

Not sure on the combination of Leman Russ' to include in the formation, looking at keeping the commanders unit and one more with BS shooting to keep close and get the +1 BS. Others to spread out a bit.

Also not sure on the lone Vendetta, or if there is something better to include for the points.

About 20 points free at the moment, considering adding another engineseer.

Any thoughts?


+++ (1828pts) +++

++ Astra Militarum: Codex (2014) (Formation Detachment) (880pts) ++

+ Formation (880pts) +

Emperor's Fist Armoured Company (880pts) [Enginseer]
····Leman Russ Squadron
········Exterminator [2x Heavy Bolter, Dozer Blade, Heavy Bolter]
····Leman Russ Squadron
········Demolisher [Dozer Blade, Heavy Bolter]
····Leman Russ Squadron
········Eradicator [2x Heavy Bolter, Dozer Blade, Heavy Bolter]
····Tank Commander
········Command Vanquisher [2x Multi-meltas, Dozer Blade, Lascannon, Tank Commander, Warlord]
········Punisher [2x Heavy Bolter, Dozer Blade, Heavy Bolter]

++ Astra Militarum: Codex (2014) (Combined Arms Detachment) (948pts) ++

+ HQ (65pts) +

Lord Commissar (65pts) [Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Flak Armour]

+ Troops (553pts) +

Veterans (186pts) [Grenadiers, Veteran w/ Heavy Flamer, 6x Veteran w/ Lasgun, 2x Veteran w/ Plasma Gun]
····Chimera [Dozer Blade, Heavy Bolter, Multi-laser]
····Veteran Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon]

Veterans (176pts) [Grenadiers, Veteran w/ Heavy Flamer, 6x Veteran w/ Lasgun, 2x Veteran w/ Meltagun]
····Chimera [Dozer Blade, Heavy Bolter, Multi-laser]
····Veteran Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon]

Veterans (191pts) [Grenadiers, 6x Veteran w/ Lasgun, 3x Veteran w/ Plasma Gun]
····Chimera [Dozer Blade, Heavy Bolter, Multi-laser]
····Veteran Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon]

+ Fast Attack (170pts) +

Vendetta Squadron (170pts)
····Vendetta [2x Twin-linked Lascannons]

+ Heavy Support (160pts) +

Wyvern Battery (80pts)
····Wyvern [Camo Netting, Heavy Bolter]

Wyvern Battery (80pts)
····Wyvern [Camo Netting, Heavy Bolter]

Created with BattleScribe (http://www.battlescribe.net)

Why a lord comm? I'd do a company command in chimera with flames or something. Another objective grabber

Also your command tank and buddy are going to pant to shoot different things. Need get two tanks to complement each other more.

Idea with the Lord com was to get a cheap HQ to use points elsewhere. But CCS in Chimera with 4 flamers is only an extra 90 points more. Where would you save the points from?

Also is a single Vendetta worth it? Could add a hellhound or manticore?

Is a single demolished worth it, it is a pricey tank

I do like demolishers due to scare tactics but it is pricey. You need some flier protection as well. Not sure what you have but if you drop a vet squad for a command squad with flamers. Should leave you points for another wyvern or hydra.

greatgut wrote:
Looking at running a mechanised list using the emperor first formation and some troops and artillery.

Not sure on the combination of Leman Russ' to include in the formation, looking at keeping the commanders unit and one more with BS shooting to keep close and get the +1 BS. Others to spread out a bit.

Also not sure on the lone Vendetta, or if there is something better to include for the points.

About 20 points free at the moment, considering adding another engineseer.

Any thoughts?


+++ (1828pts) +++

++ Astra Militarum: Codex (2014) (Formation Detachment) (880pts) ++

+ Formation (880pts) +

Emperor's Fist Armoured Company (880pts) [Enginseer]
····Leman Russ Squadron
········Exterminator [2x Heavy Bolter, Dozer Blade, Heavy Bolter]
····Leman Russ Squadron
········Demolisher [Dozer Blade, Heavy Bolter]
····Leman Russ Squadron
········Eradicator [2x Heavy Bolter, Dozer Blade, Heavy Bolter]
····Tank Commander
········Command Vanquisher [2x Multi-meltas, Dozer Blade, Lascannon, Tank Commander, Warlord]
········Punisher [2x Heavy Bolter, Dozer Blade, Heavy Bolter]

++ Astra Militarum: Codex (2014) (Combined Arms Detachment) (948pts) ++

+ HQ (65pts) +

Lord Commissar (65pts) [Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Flak Armour]

+ Troops (553pts) +

Veterans (186pts) [Grenadiers, Veteran w/ Heavy Flamer, 6x Veteran w/ Lasgun, 2x Veteran w/ Plasma Gun]
····Chimera [Dozer Blade, Heavy Bolter, Multi-laser]
····Veteran Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon]

Veterans (176pts) [Grenadiers, Veteran w/ Heavy Flamer, 6x Veteran w/ Lasgun, 2x Veteran w/ Meltagun]
····Chimera [Dozer Blade, Heavy Bolter, Multi-laser]
····Veteran Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon]

Veterans (191pts) [Grenadiers, 6x Veteran w/ Lasgun, 3x Veteran w/ Plasma Gun]
····Chimera [Dozer Blade, Heavy Bolter, Multi-laser]
····Veteran Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon]

+ Fast Attack (170pts) +

Vendetta Squadron (170pts)
····Vendetta [2x Twin-linked Lascannons]

+ Heavy Support (160pts) +

Wyvern Battery (80pts)
····Wyvern [Camo Netting, Heavy Bolter]

Wyvern Battery (80pts)
····Wyvern [Camo Netting, Heavy Bolter]

Created with BattleScribe (http://www.battlescribe.net)

I would start by switching the command tank to a Punisher with Pask. Then make his wingman an exterminator. The Eradicator isn't bad but you already have wyverns so it really isn't needed. I would run something like this with my Emperor's Fist.

Command Punisher - Pask
Exterminator

Exterminator

Battle Cannon

Battle Cannon

Gives you some good shooting tondeal with MCs pie plates at str 8 ap 3 to deal with troops in the open. And pask in his punisher to kill.... well anything really...

Leave the wyverns to deal with troops in cover

Running the above Emperor's Fist saves you 110 points. Which opens up options for another wyvern or other things. Maybe drop the Vendetta and grab a suicide melta CCS with another wyvern.

Does dropping a obsec veteran squad and chimera for CCS worth it? Also losing 3 plasma guns.

The draft FAQ seems like Pask can't be an upgrade to the formation and the current ruling is fairly ambiguous. What's the best variant for a normal commander? Punisher still?

I agree the wyverms should be enough for anti infantry fire.

I only drop so can pick up another wyvern or hydra.

Take a platoon command instead and you can take pask but that changes your whole list.

greatgut wrote:
Does dropping a obsec veteran squad and chimera for CCS worth it? Also losing 3 plasma guns.

The draft FAQ seems like Pask can't be an upgrade to the formation and the current ruling is fairly ambiguous. What's the best variant for a normal commander? Punisher still?

I agree the wyverms should be enough for anti infantry fire.

Is that the ITC FAQ? If so then Pask is useable since those are not official and unless you play in a tourney that uses those rules specifically it is not illegal. I woule imagine since he is taken as an upgrade it is kind of a bad ruling anyway.

Punisher isn't bad the biggest reason Pask in a punisher is the best is because he gives it rending.

Not sure a standard TC will be able to be as effective. Maybe an Exterminator for the twin-linked BS 4 STR 7 shots. Use him to hunt light to medium armor and MCs. Give him another Exterminator for his wingman and they should do some damage.

No GW released a faq and one of the questions was if a tank commander can be upgraded to pask in the formation. Answer was no

However I don't think the answer is as clear as that.
We will see when the faq is out of draft but it almost sounds like the intention for these formations is 1 tank commander model and not 1 tank commander squadron. That makes more sense why pask can't be an upgrade fron a tank commander model.

A Paskisher and Wyverns are going to do far more damage than anything else you could field, on a pts to pts basis, in the AM codex. Those need to be in any AM list.

Assuming the FAQ holds for now, would you recommend not taking the formation in order to take Pask?

Quite like the formation benefits and am tempted by the two exterminators for the HQ.

Maybe with a punisher to get +1BS and two demolishers/battle tanks for some high strength blasts

I don't think not running the formation is required BS4 on tanks is a huge boon for them.

I would run the Exterminators for sure. And I personally ally would opt for Battle Cannons. The short range on the Demolishers seems like too much of a risk on my opinion. The str 10 is fantastic but having to get within range of anti tank stuff is no good.

The punisher can be good but you do have 2 wyverns and 2 Battle Cannons. Which handles infantry extremely well. Not really sure on the last one though.

Good, the formation stays them. Not sure on the punisher, could take a vanquished for BS4 anti tank.

Any thoughts on running the CCS with 4 meltas and have them in the Vendetta rather than a chimera. Am then able to keep 3 full vet squads in Chimeras?

New list:

+++ AM2 CCS 2 Vet (1844pts) +++

++ Astra Militarum: Codex (2014) (Formation Detachment) ++

+ Formation +

Emperor's Fist Armoured Company [Enginseer]
····Leman Russ Squadron
········Punisher [2x Heavy Bolter, Dozer Blade, Heavy Bolter]
····Leman Russ Squadron
········Battle Tank [Dozer Blade, Heavy Bolter]
····Leman Russ Squadron
········Battle Tank [Dozer Blade, Heavy Bolter]
····Tank Commander
········Command Exterminator [2x Heavy Bolter, Dozer Blade, Heavy Bolter, Tank Commander]
········Exterminator [2x Heavy Bolter, Dozer Blade, Heavy Bolter]

++ Astra Militarum: Codex (2014) (Combined Arms Detachment) ++

+ HQ +

Company Command Squad [Carapace Armour, 4x Veteran w/ Meltagun]
····Company Commander [Bolt Pistol, Carapace Armour, Close Combat Weapon, Orders]

+ Troops +

Veterans [Grenadiers, Veteran w/ Heavy Flamer, 6x Veteran w/ Lasgun, 2x Veteran w/ Plasma Gun]
····Chimera [Dozer Blade, Heavy Bolter, Multi-laser]
····Veteran Sergeant [Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol]

Veterans [Grenadiers, Veteran w/ Heavy Flamer, 6x Veteran w/ Lasgun, 2x Veteran w/ Meltagun]
····Chimera [Dozer Blade, Heavy Bolter, Multi-laser]
····Veteran Sergeant [Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol]

Veterans [Grenadiers, 6x Veteran w/ Lasgun, 3x Veteran w/ Plasma Gun]
····Chimera [Dozer Blade, Heavy Bolter, Multi-laser]
····Veteran Sergeant [Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol]

+ Fast Attack +

Vendetta Squadron
····Vendetta [2x Twin-linked Lascannons]

+ Heavy Support +

Wyvern Battery
····Wyvern [Camo Netting, Dozer Blade, Heavy Bolter]

Wyvern Battery
····Wyvern [Dozer Blade, Heavy Bolter]

Created with BattleScribe (http://www.battlescribe.net)

Could prob drop the dozer blades on the wyverns and find another thing to get camo netting on the 2nd wyvern.

I didn't realise I had a dozer blade on them! Having removed them and the few spare points in the list I have been able to add camo netting.

Is the CCS in a Vendetta asking for trouble and likely to die without achieving much.

I would rather have a chimera for them, but can't find the necessary points and don't want to cut down the Vet squads or Vendetta.

A CCS with meltas is asking for trouble by virtue of what they are being tasked to do. Find the toughest enemy armor and blow it up. Then go out in a blaze of glory. I wouldn't expect them to survive for long if your running them with meltas.

That being said putting them in the Vendetta helps them achieve this goal a little better because of quick deployment.

Just don't kill them when they deep strike using Grav Chute insertion