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2016/06/13 13:09:18
Subject: Another Mass Shooting, Florida (Gay) Nightclub, many injured (or dead)
"Assault" weapons are already highly regulated. Or are you referring to semi-automatic rifles that have a certain aesthetic? What characteristics do you feel should be limited? How will the omission of these characteristics help prevent these events?
Self-loading semi automatics? Although you can be damn fast with a pump action, not as reliable, and a bolt action, well, harder still. A manual load semi-auto should suffice for any genuine need someone has outside of very specific circumstances, usually profession related, which can be reviewed on a case-by-case basis.
Absolutely horrible. Condolences to everyone.
2016/06/13 13:23:05
Subject: Another Mass Shooting, Florida (Gay) Nightclub, many injured (or dead)
"Assault" weapons are already highly regulated. Or are you referring to semi-automatic rifles that have a certain aesthetic? What characteristics do you feel should be limited? How will the omission of these characteristics help prevent these events?
Self-loading semi automatics?
Yes, considering that's what semi-automatic means.
Yeah, I realised. Sorry, exams, I meant why would anyone need a semi auto over a magfed single action.
Here though, single shot refers to a weapon with a capacity of a single bullet.
2016/06/13 13:35:59
Subject: Another Mass Shooting, Florida (Gay) Nightclub, many injured (or dead)
Myriad reasons, not least of which is that semi-automatics often allow for a more effective defensive weapon. Some competition events require use of semi-automatics. Some people like to use them for hunting. Some people prefer them for recreational target shooting, skeet, clays, etc. Whatever the case may be, it is a valid option that the individual can decide whether or not is appropriate for themselves. I would not like to see that option removed because of a tiny percentage of madmen.
I'm aware of that, hence my 'case-by-case' basis.
However, longarm's don't exactly make excellent defensive weapons. Competitions fall under 'case-by-case', and can, in any event be changed. Hunting, same deal, but you don't go general hunting with a semi-auto. Usually reserved for boar, or larger game, or aerial culling, which isn't a citizens vocation. Semi-auto for target shooting, seems weird, but I get the appeal of not having to faff around.
Semi-autos shouldn't really be easily available, very few real genuine reasons. But as to removing choice, that's a whole different ballpark, something I've got no ground to stand on.
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2016/06/13 13:56:22
Subject: Another Mass Shooting, Florida (Gay) Nightclub, many injured (or dead)
Myriad reasons, not least of which is that semi-automatics often allow for a more effective defensive weapon. Some competition events require use of semi-automatics. Some people like to use them for hunting. Some people prefer them for recreational target shooting, skeet, clays, etc. Whatever the case may be, it is a valid option that the individual can decide whether or not is appropriate for themselves. I would not like to see that option removed because of a tiny percentage of madmen.
I'm aware of that, hence my 'case-by-case' basis.
However, longarm's don't exactly make excellent defensive weapons. Competitions fall under 'case-by-case', and can, in any event be changed. Hunting, same deal, but you don't go general hunting with a semi-auto. Usually reserved for boar, or larger game, or aerial culling, which isn't a citizens vocation. Semi-auto for target shooting, seems weird, but I get the appeal of not having to faff around.
Semi-autos shouldn't really be easily available, very few real genuine reasons. But as to removing choice, that's a whole different ballpark, something I've got no ground to stand on.
The tens of millions of people in the US that collectively own hundreds of millions of semi auto rifles and never commit crimes with them contradicts your stance that they're too dangerous to be privately owned. People have been hunting with semi autos here in the US for over 100 years.
Not once did I say 'dangerous'. I said lack of genuine need. If there is no genuine need for people to own these weapons there is no real detriment to their being removed from general circulation. If that results in a decrease in number, and death count, of this sort of attacks, that is a good thing, no?
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2016/06/13 14:33:22
Subject: Another Mass Shooting, Florida (Gay) Nightclub, many injured (or dead)
Col. Dash wrote: This is not a gun control issue, although is this is gun related. Its about damn time we got rid of Gun Free Zones for the murder zones they actually are.
This is a fun talking point, but there is no evidence that even a single mass shooting was selected upon the basis it was a gun free zone.
Atop that, the majority of mass shootings happen in venues where firearms are lawful to possess.
Finally, no mass shooting, ever, has been stopped by an armed civilian.
I think gun free zones are goofy but let's not forge a narrative.
According to the sources, only 1 of those was stopped by a civilian. 1 was on-duty police, 1 was a guard, 2 were off duty-cops (not civilians), and 1 was a suicide, with no civilian opening fire.
