Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Hi

As the topic suggests can Librarius Conclave be part of other units such as biker squads etc.

Can Librarius Conclave use the Drop pods from Skyhammer Annahilation Force formation? Or can they be attached to a unit that is in a formation?

Thanks
Zalek

Librarius conclaves can be part of other units yes. They are still independent characters and treated exactly as such. Note that they can NOT be part of other formations though. They may join those units inside formations but do not benefit from their rules. Note that if you have a non-Skyhammer IC attached to the Skyhammer, it can be argued that they lose their "turn 1 or 2 drop" and instead follow drop pod assault. I wouldn't put a librarian with a Skyhammer is the point.

 jifel wrote:
Librarius conclaves can be part of other units yes. They are still independent characters and treated exactly as such. Note that they can NOT be part of other formations though. They may join those units inside formations but do not benefit from their rules. Note that if you have a non-Skyhammer IC attached to the Skyhammer, it can be argued that they lose their "turn 1 or 2 drop" and instead follow drop pod assault. I wouldn't put a librarian with a Skyhammer is the point.

Theres no arguing about that topic, the unit lose the formation specials once a external IC joins it PERIOD per GW/ITC/Nova faq

 SonsofVulkan wrote:

 jifel wrote:
Librarius conclaves can be part of other units yes. They are still independent characters and treated exactly as such. Note that they can NOT be part of other formations though. They may join those units inside formations but do not benefit from their rules. Note that if you have a non-Skyhammer IC attached to the Skyhammer, it can be argued that they lose their "turn 1 or 2 drop" and instead follow drop pod assault. I wouldn't put a librarian with a Skyhammer is the point.

Theres no arguing about that topic, the unit lose the formation specials once a external IC joins it PERIOD per GW/ITC/Nova faq

Yes, almost any tournament will rule it that way but not everyone uses those FAQs. I personally would agree with you though.

Though to be fair, the GW FAQ that said no, is also still a first draft, and could (though unlikely) change.

I think this led to MANY more question, for example, if the Librarians arrived in another Droppod But join the Devastors from Skyhammer when landing on ground, do the Devastors immediately loss Relentless?
If a Librarian joined a Tactical Squad from Battle Demi Company formation, does this Squad loss Obsec until the Libby left the Squad?
If an Eldar Autrach Joined a Jetseer Council, do the psykers loss the benefits of manifesting powers on 3+?
If Necron Destroyer Lord Joined Wraiths from Canoptek Harvest, is the Wraiths no longer benefit the RP unitl the Lord left?
If a Juggernaut Lord Joined a Squad of bikers from Gorepack formation, does this unit lost move through cover and HoW is not longer shred?

No. This rule only applies to the unit. Models retain their rules, so the Tac squad in a BattleCo retains ObSec. The Devastators in a Skyhammer retain relentless. They don't give it to the Libby though. But, if not every model in the unit has a deployment rule they can't use it, hence reverting back to drop pod assault.

 jifel wrote:
No. This rule only applies to the unit. Models retain their rules, so the Tac squad in a BattleCo retains ObSec. The Devastators in a Skyhammer retain relentless. They don't give it to the Libby though. But, if not every model in the unit has a deployment rule they can't use it, hence reverting back to drop pod assault.

This ^ it's not ACTUALLY that that unit LOSES it's rules it's that the IC can't benefit from them. The reason why it seriously f***s with skyhammer vs other formations is because most of skyhammer's benefits are all or nothing.

A skyhammer dev squad DOESN'T lose relentless from just being attached to a libby BUT it also can't choose to come in on turn 1/2 so it's still pretty good but with what you're sacrificing you might as well just bring grav centurions or the cataphractii captain.

A skyhammer assault squad with a libby in it can still technically charge from deepstrike but since the libby CAN'T the UNIT can't.

^