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*** Amended based on comments ***

I have no flying nurgle daemon princes,Beasts of nurgle and only 3 plague drones, I have two soul grinders 80 plague bearers two great unclean ones and one squad of nurglings. Alongside numerous heralds and five chaos hounds that i use as furies.

I have attempted to make a competitive list using this and I was wondering if people could weight in on this list?

Daemonic Incursion.

Tallyband
- 10 Plaguebearers Icon of chaos
- 10 Plaguebearers
- 10 Plaguebearers
- 10 Plaguebearers
- 10 Plaguebearers
- 10 Plaguebearers
- 10 Plaguebearers instrument of chaos
- Herald w/ Level 2 Psyker, Locus of Fucundity, The Doomsday Bell, lesser reward

Chaos Flock
- 5 Chaos Furies

Daemon Lords
- Greater Unclean One, Level 3 Psyker, 2 Greater Rewards, Warlord
- Greater Unclean One, Level 3 Psyker, 1 Greater Rewards,

CaD
- Herald w/Level 2 Psyker, Exalted reward
- Herald w/Level 2 Psyker, Lesser Reward
- Herald w/Level 2 Psyker, Lesser Reward
- Nurglings
- Nurglings


The plan would revolve around the herald in the tallyband with the squads of plaguebearers, He does -1 to opp ld while he biomancys or cursed earths his squad to make them stronger, The herald with the grimoir of true names would also join this squad to biomancy them better and grotti the nurgling would lower the enemy's toughness which would stack if if the opponent fails their leadership at the start of the fight sub phase for the tallybands -1 str and toughness on failed ld rule. This squad would be surrounded by the other plague bearer squads sp everyone can get the feel no pain from the tallyband meanwhile one of the great unclean ones would deep strike to the icon along with the instrument wielding plaguebearers, the other great unclean one would charge up one of the flanks drawing fire as the plaguebearers advance and start swarming.

Would it be better to field everything to start bombarding in the psychic phase? Would psychic shriek be good here?


What do you guys think? ANY and ALL advice welcome

Firstly I don't think you can have an allied detachment the same faction as your Primary detachment. You're going to have to turn your allied detachment into a CAD.

With your model availability it's going to require cutting down your 20 plaguebearers unit to 10 and taking the extra 10 as the second troops requirement in your CAD.

This is obviously going to impact quite heavily on the tactics for a plaguebearers blob you have mentioned but on the plus side you can bring your second soulgrinder as part of a CAD which I would definitely recommend.

 Tonberry7 wrote:
Firstly I don't think you can have an allied detachment the same faction as your Primary detachment. You're going to have to turn your allied detachment into a CAD.

With your model availability it's going to require cutting down your 20 plaguebearers unit to 10 and taking the extra 10 as the second troops requirement in your CAD.

This is obviously going to impact quite heavily on the tactics for a plaguebearers blob you have mentioned but on the plus side you can bring your second soulgrinder as part of a CAD which I would definitely recommend.

I could probably get another squad of nurglings going maybe?

What would you take out for the second soulgrinder?

Thanks for the reply!

Just spotted another problem with your Tallyband Herald. You can only take one Hellforged Artefacts so can't take the bell and the grimoire on the same guy. Also he can only have 30pts of rewards so not the exalted and a lesser at the same time.

Could you get a third soul grinder to allow you to take the formation ?

The allied detachment doesn't feel particularly useful. (And needs to be a CAD to be legal). I understand the desire to fit the plague drones in, but it May not be worth it (especially for 3)

Including the other GUO might be better, given your options.

I'm not sure I can get behind hounds=furies.. its a bit of a stretch.


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..by chance you have two helldrakes? That's a very nice addition and is now it's own formation.

Is this better?

Core:
Tallyband
Herald: Locus of fecundity, Psker lvl 2, The doomsday bell, Lesser reward (etherblade) 160pts
Plaguebearers x 10, ,Plagueridden with lesser reward for etherblade 105pt
Plaguebearers x 10 Instrument of chaos 100pts
Plaguebearers x 10 90pts
Plaguebearers x 10 90pts
Plaguebearers x 10 90pts
Plaguebearers x 10 90pts
Plaguebearers x 10 90pts

Auxiliary:
Furies: 35pts

CAD
Heralds of nurgle x 2

1st herald psker lvl 2,grotti the nurgling, Lesser reward (etherblade): 145pts
2nd herald psker lvl 2, lesser reward (etherblade) greater reward grim of true names 135pts


Troop:
nurgling x 3 45pts
nurgling x 3 45pts

Fast attack:
Plague Drone x 3, Icon of chaos, Plaguebringer 146 pts

heavy support:
Soulgrinder of nurgle, Phlegm bombardment: 180pts
Soulgrinder of nurgle, Phlegm bombardment: 180pts

1996 pts


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Captyn_Bob wrote:
Could you get a third soul grinder to allow you to take the formation ?

The allied detachment doesn't feel particularly useful. (And needs to be a CAD to be legal). I understand the desire to fit the plague drones in, but it May not be worth it (especially for 3)

Including the other GUO might be better, given your options.

I'm not sure I can get behind hounds=furies.. its a bit of a stretch.


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..by chance you have two helldrakes? That's a very nice addition and is now it's own formation.

I can't, I have a defiler i could proxy but I dunno : /

The other Guo may be a good edition but would you take it over the second grinder? Both would be very difficult to fit in

As for the plague drone, I see your point but getting that great unclean up the table safely is a major concern, Dropping two squads of plage bearers and a souped up guo would be a huge problem for anyone on their back table.

I don't have two heldrakes just the one I'm afraid.

And the hounds are basically the same size as the model, it wouldn't really be an issue in my group.

How about this, trying to stick with the models you have and your overall theme. I'm assuming you want to keep it mono nurgle.

Core - Tallyband
Herald, ML2, FNP Locus, Grimoire
10x Plaguebearers, Icon
10x Plaguebearers, Instrument
10x Plaguebearers
10x Plaguebearers
10x Plaguebearers
10x Plaguebearers
10x Plaguebearers

Command - Daemon Lord
GUO, ML3, 2xGR

Auxiliary - Forgehost
3x Soulgrinders, Phlegm, Nurgle

CAD
HQ
Herald, ML2, Doomsday Bell, Etherblade
Herald, ML2, Grotti, Etherblade
Troops
2x Nurglings

One of the main problems is that your Tallyband is too expensive using Plaguebearers for every unit which means there's less to spend elsewhere. I usually find it better to take one blob of Plaguebearers then the rest of the units as Nurglings.

I would definitely proxy your defiler as a third grinder and take the formation. The benefits make them so much better given their WS3 & BS3.

Your GUO would benefit from 2 greater rewards rather than 1 exalted. If you roll well and get iron arm too it will be solid. Plus it gives you the option of a Balesword which also works well with Iron Arm.

I'd also consider dropping the GUO and a herald to take a heldrake and the drones but I tried to stick to your original list as far as possible. You would also drop WC if you did swap.

One of the main problems is that your Tallyband is too expensive using Plaguebearers for every unit which means there's less to spend elsewhere. I usually find it better to take one blob of Plaguebearers then the rest of the units as Nurglings.

Agreed. Cheap nurgling units are one of the things that makes the Tallyband tick. Plaguebearers aren't much better in a fight but their characters (with etherblades) make a hell of a difference. By comparison, 3 nurglings dug in can absorbe a hell of a lot of fire for very few points, especially if you've got a Locus of Fecundity nearby.



I'd recommend taking 2-3 'offensive' units of plaguebearers - not that they're going to charge into terminators and come out the other side, but that they're the units who are going to advance (or deep strike) up the board and block enemies from advancing.

Those units will want attached heralds for leadership and fighting power. Therefore they can have an organic Locus of Fecundity, and aren't tied to the 'bubble' around the Tallyband's leader.

The 'home objectives' guys can be 4 or so units of 3 bases of nurglings and the one herald. Give him a Locus of Fecundity and he can give several - maybe even most - of these units Feel No Pain. He's a good candidate for the bell as it has no range restriction. An Etherblade is good enough if anything - he's not going to win combats by himself.

If he and the nurglings spend the entire game camped on objectives and going to ground the moment they're shot at, basically just 'farming' tactical objective cards, they'll still probably make their points back. 12 wounds with a 2+ cover save, feel no pain, and immune to falling back is a nightmare to try and shift with normal gunfire.

I would also throw a vote behind the Great Unclean One having 2 greater rewards. 3 levels of biomancy and 2 greater rewards makes for amazing durability. Yes, he probably gets more benefit from the eternal blade than any other potential wielder, but the thing is, if he gets into combat, he's probably going to smash someone silly anyway; the problem with a Great Unclean One is generally catching someone in the first place.

Which is why holding him in reserve to deep strike is key, and in turn, why several icons are very important to have!

Dardl wrote:
Great unclean one: Exalted reward (eternal blade), PML 3: 270pts

IMHO you are better off just taking a greater and grabbing the balesword. The balesword is complete money, and if you don't need it you can roll for something like a 4+ FNP.

Dardl wrote:
Herald: Locus of fecundity, Psker lvl 2, The doomsday bell, exalted reward (grimwoir of true names) Lesser reward (etherblade) 190pts
Plaguebearers x 20, Icon of chaos plaguebanner, Plagueridden with lesser reward for etherblade 215pt
Plaguebearers x 10 Instrument of chaos 100pts
Plaguebearers x 10 90pts
Plaguebearers x 10 90pts
Plaguebearers x 10 90pts
Plaguebearers x 10 90pts
Plaguebearers x 10 90pts

As mentioned, drop the grimoire.
Personally I like the idea of plague bearers. I think that adds a lot of bodies that can be a real pain to dislodge.

Dardl wrote:
Auxiliary:
Furies: Daemon of nurgle 45pts

Just make em furies and save yourself the points. These are deep striking objective holders and who cares if they die.

Dardl wrote:
Allied detachment
Heralds of nurgle x 3

1st herald psker lvl 2,grotti the nurgling, Lesser reward (etherblade): 145pts
2nd herald psker lvl 2, lesser reward (etherblade) 105pts
2nd herald psker lvl 2, lesser reward (etherblade) 105pts

Check on this. I don't think that you can take 3 heralds in an allied detachment HQ. I might be wrong on this, but I remember something about that a while ago. It should not be a huge issue as you can always just take a CAD, but for an allied detachment you might be illegal.

Dardl wrote:
Fast attack:
Plague Drone x 3, Icon of chaos, Plaguebringer 146 pts

heavy support:
Soulgrinder of nurgle, Phlegm bombardment: 180pts

I think these will get pegged out really early. So the rest of your crap has lots of bodies. You can spam the board and really make things happen. Here, however, you have these guys that are expensive can be either one ID's or one shotted. Every heavy weapon in your opponents toolkit will go to these first. In a 2000 point game they won't survive. You can take some of these points and get another GUO.

Why will they die when the GUO will live? Well, the GUO is slower, so you will probably be deep striking it off an icon. Secondly the GUO has an easier time enjoying a good cover save by sticking it's toe in cover.

People speak badly of GUO's but I've had exceptional luck with mine. When in a ruins, a T7 2+ cover save target is incredibly hard to dislodge. If they pick up iron arm, they are going nowhere with a T10. (well, they can be hit by D, but even normal STR 10 only is wounding on a 4+)

Save your drones for a summonable, since you have so many heralds you should get incursion.

There is a lot I like here, but some work that can be done. If you can get your hands on a fourth CAD herald that would be nice. Those heralds can do a lot of damage, and you can roll them through any of your plaguebearers.

Ok I am going to update the list based on everyones advice!

I am feeling the plague bearer swarm for this list so I am of the opinion the more bodys the better.

This is what I would bring for an 1850 version of this list. I was playing around with it a bit this morning.

Tallyband
- 10 Plaguebearers
- 10 Plaguebearers
- 10 Plaguebearers
- 10 Plaguebearers
- 10 Plaguebearers
- 10 Plaguebearers
- 10 Plaguebearers
- Herald w/ Level 2 Psyker, Locus of Fucundity, Lesser Reward, Greater Reward

Chaos Flock
- 5 Chaos Furies

Daemon Lords
- Greater Unclean One, Level 3 Psyker, 2 * Greater Rewards, Lesser Reward
- Greater Unclean One, Level 3 Psyker, 2 * Greater Rewards, Lesser Reward

CaD
- Herald w/Level 2 Psyker, Lesser Reward, Greater Reward -- Warlord
- Herald w/Level 2 Psyker, Lesser Reward
- Herald w/Level 2 Psyker, Lesser Reward
- Nurglings
- Nurglings

Summary
The list is bringing 14 psychic dice. While not the level of a Tzeentch host, it's still very respectable, and should be able to crank out 2 summons a turn.
Each herald hides in a separate squad, making them a lot more dangerous. They should also be used to screen the GUO's, so the GUO's will be getting at least a 3+.
Note that I put 2 greaters and a lesser on each GUO. Those greaters are money, as they give nice defensive bonus, or you can swap one out for a balesword. Baleswords are extremely nasty, as the ID is extremely dangerous. I've used baleswords on princes to clobber D-thristers before they can swing. The lesser is there to give you an extra attack for 2 specialist weapons.
I would play around with some of the other artifacts. Grotti is extremely good -- especially when combined with the bell and enfeebling Nausea. Marines dropping to a T2 are ID'ed on a 2+.
The warlord was taken from the CAD because that lets you reroll the warlord trait. You big winners on the Nurgle warlord trait table (from wulfen) are Blessing of Corpulence, Plaguefly Hive, and Impenetrable Hide. If you would rather have a GUO be your warlord, just move one over to the CAD. A T8, or 3+ FNP GUO is pretty darn scary.

Ok List is updated, I will be using it against space wolves tomorrow. I plan on swarming him with plaguebearers that hopefully will be souped up with biomancy.

So an update on the battle.

We rolled Cleanse and Control Maelstrom of war mission.

Score was 10-1 to me.

It went to turn six and I tabled him.

It was a massacre, this list may have something too it.

I like it!

I think I'll try this list, only drop one GUO for a unit or two of plague drones (because I haven't another GUO)

What do you think about maelstrom mission with this list? Is not too slow to capture objectives?

 Plague Planet Lord wrote:
I like it!

I think I'll try this list, only drop one GUO for a unit or two of plague drones (because I haven't another GUO)

What do you think about maelstrom mission with this list? Is not too slow to capture objectives?

I honestly found it fantastic, The furies were quite good at leaping around taking objectives,

The trick is to deep strike to the back field and summon like mad.

The two nurgling units stay in your side on the objectives, Meanwhile the plague bearers advance to take the center.

I DS to the back field witha squad of then plague bearers and a herald and he summoned a bloodthirster.

He was surrounded on all sides and swarmed, Even though I tabled him in a maelstrom mission I was still winning 10-1

Fantastic!

Thank you for your explanation!