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Hi people. So one of my friend convinced me to give 30k a try and here's a quick list I made (just to begin and learn the basics). What do you think of it ?


HQ

Legion Centurion : Artificer Armour, Burning Lore, Power Weapon
Consul: Diabolist


Troops

Legion Tactical Squad
Exchange their Bolters for a Chainsword or Combat Blade, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines
Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier,

Legion Tactical Squad
Exchange their Bolters for a Chainsword or Combat Blade, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines
Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier,

Elites

Gal Vorbak Dark Brethren
4x Dark Brethren
Dark Martyr : Artificer Armour

Legion Terminator Squad
4x Combi-Weapon, 4x Legion Terminators, Tartaros Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon
Legion Terminator Sergeant :Combi-Weapon
Land Raider Phobos

Fast Attack

Legion Outrider Squad
3x Legion Space Marine Outrider

Heavy Support

Legion Vindicator Siege Tank Squadron
Legion Vindicator Tank x1


Chaos Daemons: Codex (2013) (Allied Detachment)

HQ

Daemon Prince
Daemon of Khorne, Daemonic Flight, Warp-forged Armour

Troops

Bloodletters of Khorne
15x Bloodletters

Fast Attack

Flesh Hounds of Khorne
15x Flesh Hounds

Total : 2000 points.

looks passable, although:

1) IIRC you NEED a chaplain for this list to be legal. IF i'm remembering right, you need a diabolist and a chaplain in every army, or a model that counts as those (i.e. erebus)

2) I like larger tactical squads, so maybe look into them.

3) I'm build up your legion a bet more before diving into daemons. 'cause at the moment, durrability will be a huge issue in your list

4) how would you expand into 2,500 pts.? (what is largely considered the 'standard' for 30k)

Hi, thanks for the answer.

So I changed my list to include a Chaplain (simply reduced the number of Bloodletters and Flesh hounds to do so).

As for daemons, I simply added them to be fluffy.

To be honest, I don't really know how I'll upgrade to 2500 pts. I'd like to be competitive but at the same time to be loyal to the Word Bearers style and fluff. Plus, I really have no idea of what are the do's and don't's of W30k.

Just a note: For WBer, you only need a Chaplain OR a basic Centurion in your HQ lineup (plus another non-support HQ of your choice)

Diabolists aren't required to run WBers.

Well thank you sir

They are required if you want a daemon allied detachment however. Unless you were to take the SC's that allow otherwise. And a praetor to unlock the RoW that allows daemon allies. The easiest way to get them as allies is to have erebus, or zardu layak.

Yes to run demons you will need the diabolist.

Erebus would also count as both for only 1 HQ slot although equipment wise is kinda subpar for a 30k leader.

My standard WB list at 2k+ uses all 3 HQ slots usually- a Praetor, Chaplain, and diabolist if going for demon allies.

Without demon allies I usually go Praetor, chaplain, primus medicae.....the chaplain and primus medicae with gal vorback is a mean combo but alot of points. Also if you add in Logar its a very, very nasty deathstar.

1. I'm not sure why you would have ccw/bp instead of stock bolter. They're not going to want to be in cc at 10 dudes and a rhino. TBH, without dark channeling, WBs aren't really any better in cc than anyone else.

2. I'd find room for those GV to have at least one pair of lightning claws on the dark martyr. Also, this particular list might not have trouble, but 115% of the tim, GV need a ride.

3. Oh, there's the ride, with the termies. I'd switch them to on foot and give them uh... brain... uh... 4++ termie armor... sob, why is brain dead. Give LR to the GV.

4. I have zero experience with outriders, so noting to say.

5. Vindi is fine. Might I sugest trying others though. Melta blast is pretty fun, for examlle.

6. Demons looks fine.

Overall: I feel like you're shooting for cc but you're missing out on the best part of WB. Yoi have the diabolist but not Dark Channeling. I would be willing to drop the termie, move the LR to heavy for the GV to ride (potentially upgrade to a spartan to fit a chaplain with them), give the tac DC and get them to 20 dudes. Change the vindi to a venator to handle tanks wtih blast that will ruin your day when you blob, and you've got a solid cc list. Not sure how your points will line up with that though.

As has been said before, I'd give your tac squads bolters. Maybe add close combat weapons if you have the points somewhere if you really want, but they're not going to be assaulting out of those rhinos and if they lose their ride early enough they're not doing anything useful. 10-man squads are a-okay if you want them to scoot around in their cars.

The outriders are okay, but at minimum size with stock weapons they're not going to be doing too much. You can probably field a better unit for their points cost.

I also like power fist and artificer armor on the dark martyr. T5 with a 2+, 5++ and S10 punches is nothing to scoff at.

And those are the only tweaks I can think of right now that don't involve dropping your daemons for more legion stuff. I like bringing daemons with my WB, but I don't ally them in until 3k points.

chaos45 wrote:
Erebus would also count as both for only 1 HQ slot although equipment wise is kinda subpar for a 30k leader.

If I am reading this correct - you seem to think that you can take erebus and no other HQ?

While Erebus counts as a diabolist and chaplain (think if him as a centurion with 2 consul upgrades) nothing in his rules stops you needing a second HQ choice. The main advantage of Erebus is that he fills the required second slot so your other HQ can be pretty much what ever so long as its not a support officer.