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The codex states that they always know "The Horror psychic power"

Do I get to roll on the table also?

Do I get psychic focus?

 Aijec wrote:
The codex states that they always know "The Horror psychic power"

Do I get to roll on the table also?

Do I get psychic focus?

The power generation rules on this are clear.

they know that power, that is it.

BroodLord is Psyker (Mastery Level 1) I think so it are same as other Psyker.

interresing. and on which psychic discipline do you plan to roll on?

 Aijec wrote:
The codex states that they always know "The Horror psychic power"

Do I get to roll on the table also?

Do I get psychic focus?

As long all his powers are drawn for the same table yes you get psychic focus.

If the broodlord only know "The horror" it also knows the primaris of the table it belongs.

you only get psychic focus if you generate powers from one discipline

generating a pschic power is a specific rule in the rulebook.

the broodlord "knows" the horror he doesnt generate it. he cant roll on the power of the hivemind table because he hasnt access to it.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Aijec wrote:
The codex states that they always know "The Horror psychic power"

Do I get to roll on the table also?

Do I get psychic focus?

The power generation rules on this are clear.

they know that power, that is it.

Literally every answer has been different in this thread, how is this clear?


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RedNoak wrote:
interresing. and on which psychic discipline do you plan to roll on?

Powers of the hive mind?

"tyranid psykers use the powers of the hive mind"

right in the codex

You know that power, you automatically generate that one power and thus you get psychic focus.

Lord Kragan wrote:
You know that power, you automatically generate that one power and thus you get psychic focus.

The rulebook disagrees with you.

 Aijec wrote:
Literally every answer has been different in this thread, how is this clear?

"In some Army List Entries, a Psyker will have one or more specific psychic powers listed – where this is the case, it will be clearly stated. These Psykers always start the game with those psychic powers. Otherwise, a Psyker generates random psychic powers from amongst the psychic disciplines known to him."

Noting the "otherwise" in the above rule we know that Psykers only generate powers if they do not have specific powers listed.

Lord Kragan wrote:
You know that power, you automatically generate that one power and thus you get psychic focus.

As above, powers are only generated if a Psyker does not have specific psychic powers listed. Psychic Focus requires a Psyker to have generated all of their powers from the same psychic discipline, but if the power is specifically listed it is not generated.

It has been accepted in every game and tourney I have run broodlords at, that they do know the Primaris power Dominion since they have the Horror from the Hive Mind Powers. This is just mostly in keeping with every other single power psycher.

 Mr. Shine wrote:

 Aijec wrote:
Literally every answer has been different in this thread, how is this clear?

"In some Army List Entries, a Psyker will have one or more specific psychic powers listed – where this is the case, it will be clearly stated. These Psykers always start the game with those psychic powers. Otherwise, a Psyker generates random psychic powers from amongst the psychic disciplines known to him."

Noting the "otherwise" in the above rule we know that Psykers only generate powers if they do not have specific powers listed.

Lord Kragan wrote:
You know that power, you automatically generate that one power and thus you get psychic focus.

As above, powers are only generated if a Psyker does not have specific psychic powers listed. Psychic Focus requires a Psyker to have generated all of their powers from the same psychic discipline, but if the power is specifically listed it is not generated.

Actually the mentioned quote does not say known powers are not generated. All it says is if you do not know specific powers you generate randomly.
That said the errata to the Power of the Hive Mind primaris, does imply that if you know a power it is still generated.

 Happyjew wrote:
Actually the mentioned quote does not say known powers are not generated. All it says is if you do not know specific powers you generate randomly.
That said the errata to the Power of the Hive Mind primaris, does imply that if you know a power it is still generated.

well, read the whole rule. genereating powers means rolling on the discipline tables.

Generating Psychic Powers
Psykers generate their psychic powers before the game begins.
[...]
In some Army List Entries, a Psyker will have one or more specific psychic
powers listed – where this is the case, it will be clearly stated. These Psykers always
start the game with those psychic powers. Otherwise, a Psyker generates random psychic powers from amongst the psychic disciplines known to him

To randomly generate a psychic power, first choose one of the psychic disciplines known
to the Psyker. Then [...]

note that the broodlord isnt given a psychic discipline to choose from. every other tyranid psyker has a rule to allow them to generate powers.

Psyker:
The Swarmlord generates its psychic powers from the Powers of the Hive
Mind.
A Hive Tyrant generates its psychic powers from the Powers of the Hive Mind.
A Tervigon generates its psychic powers from the Powers of the Hive Mind.
A Zoanthrope Brood always knows the Warp Blast psychic power. The unit can
generate one additional power from the Powers of the Hive Mind.

and in contrast the broodlord:

PSYKER:
A Broodlord always knows The Horror psychic power.

the broodlord cant generate powers, hence cant get psychic focus and he surely isnt allowed to roll for an additional power on the power of the hivemind psychic discipline.

As much as I'd like to interpret it as Broodlords do get Dominion, I'm on the side which believes they don't. The kicker is the precedent set by the Spawn of Cryptus, a Broodlord named character who gets stealth and a WL trait but is otherwise identical. His profile also lists that he knows Dominion - which, if Broodlords had automatically, would presumably not be listed. The fluff also made a big deal of the fact the Spawn exhibited greater control of the swarms around it, for what it's worth.

See also the Grey Knight codex, which also lists the powers the various units know. It just so happens that all of the Grey Knight Psyker units know Banishment (the Primaris of Sanctic Demonology) in addition to whatever else they know, except for the Brother-Captain and Librarian who instead Generate their powers from the listed disciplines.

Benlisted wrote:
As much as I'd like to interpret it as Broodlords do get Dominion, I'm on the side which believes they don't. The kicker is the precedent set by the Spawn of Cryptus, a Broodlord named character who gets stealth and a WL trait but is otherwise identical. His profile also lists that he knows Dominion - which, if Broodlords had automatically, would presumably not be listed. The fluff also made a big deal of the fact the Spawn exhibited greater control of the swarms around it, for what it's worth.

Doesn't the Spawn of Cryptus also generate the Synapse power as well (correct me if I am wrong, it is a while since I played that campaign)? Perhaps the listing of Dominion is for clarity as he has a mix of disciplines, as what counts as 'generated' always seems a contentious point in rule discussions.

 Happyjew wrote:
Actually the mentioned quote does not say known powers are not generated. All it says is if you do not know specific powers you generate randomly.

Yes, it says the Psyker always starts the game with those powers, though that's not the same as an explicit, "automatically generated" or similar. It would have been nice for them to say something along those lines if that's what they intended.

Benlisted wrote:
As much as I'd like to interpret it as Broodlords do get Dominion, I'm on the side which believes they don't. The kicker is the precedent set by the Spawn of Cryptus, a Broodlord named character who gets stealth and a WL trait but is otherwise identical. His profile also lists that he knows Dominion - which, if Broodlords had automatically, would presumably not be listed. The fluff also made a big deal of the fact the Spawn exhibited greater control of the swarms around it, for what it's worth.

Also the wording for the Maleceptor in Leviathan:

"A Maleceptor always knows the Psychic Overload psychic power. A Maleceptor generates its remaining powers from the Powers of the Hive Mind."

This suggests that "always knows" is different from "generates". But...

 Happyjew wrote:
That said the errata to the Power of the Hive Mind primaris, does imply that if you know a power it is still generated.

This is an obscure but good point - the change in question being that Dominion should further state that if the Psyker does not have the Synapse Creature special rule then it gains that rule for the duration of the Dominion power. The only Tyranids Psyker that does not also have the Synapse Creature special rule is the Broodlord, suggesting Games Workshop think it should gain the power per Psychic Focus.

As usual Games Workshop can't seem to make up their mind...

Benlisted wrote:
As much as I'd like to interpret it as Broodlords do get Dominion, I'm on the side which believes they don't. The kicker is the precedent set by the Spawn of Cryptus, a Broodlord named character who gets stealth and a WL trait but is otherwise identical. His profile also lists that he knows Dominion - which, if Broodlords had automatically, would presumably not be listed. The fluff also made a big deal of the fact the Spawn exhibited greater control of the swarms around it, for what it's worth.

 GoonBandito wrote:
See also the Grey Knight codex, which also lists the powers the various units know. It just so happens that all of the Grey Knight Psyker units know Banishment (the Primaris of Sanctic Demonology) in addition to whatever else they know, except for the Brother-Captain and Librarian who instead Generate their powers from the listed disciplines.

And both the Spawn and GK codex were released in 7th edition, where you have Psychic Focus. The current Tyranid codex is 6th edition.