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Just curious about something. I've seen everywhere that people feel like eldar are at the top and the most powerful and what not, but I've been looking thru the itc events (I'm just a curious person and I like to see what army's are doing well) and I've noticed that eldar almost never win. So my question is, if eldar are the most powerful why aren't they winning every event.? Like how grey Knights should win every event back in 5th

If the FAQs that gw has put out become official it will change many of the shenanigans that are winning tournaments for marine players.

Eldar on the other hand hasnt changed its power level much with the FAQ, however the eldar specific one hasnt come yet.

Eeerm, they pretty much ARE winning nearly every event, despite mist events houseruling nerfs to eldar in particular (especially D weapons)

Another factor to consider is that a lot of people might be writing lists designed to take on high powered Eldar lists, as they are seen as the main competition.

 Konrax wrote:
If the FAQs that gw has put out become official it will change many of the shenanigans that are winning tournaments for marine players.

Eldar on the other hand hasnt changed its power level much with the FAQ, however the eldar specific one hasnt come yet.

besides flicker jump what else would the faq.?


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 BoomWolf wrote:
Eeerm, they pretty much ARE winning nearly every event, despite mist events houseruling nerfs to eldar in particular (especially D weapons)

do you have any evidence of this.?


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 JamesY wrote:
Another factor to consider is that a lot of people might be writing lists designed to take on high powered Eldar lists, as they are seen as the main competition.

if that's the case then eldar aren't the top dogs anymore because if your list can beat eldar then it should be able to take on any other list as well. Technically

40kmaster1 wrote:

 JamesY wrote:
Another factor to consider is that a lot of people might be writing lists designed to take on high powered Eldar lists, as they are seen as the main competition.

if that's the case then eldar aren't the top dogs anymore because if your list can beat eldar then it should be able to take on any other list as well. Technically

Not necessarily. If you are spamming grav and melta (to deal with the plethora of 3+ saves in the normal comp eldar list), you will not do as well against the IG Infantry blob list.

They could always Eratta the WK to be 100 points more expensive and make Scatter Lasers/Shruikens on bikes 10 points more expensive each.

Tailoring a list to beat a single specific army does nothing to help against other armies.

In this case it means they find Eldar games easier, but would struggle with any form of mild horde army.

It does not mean Eldar are not the top army though.
However, majority of tournament players run Eldar, so kitting up against them assures more easier games as a whole.
However, it shoots you in the foot when playing anyone other than Eldar.

So not really a viable tactic for winning tournaments with.

 Jackal wrote:
Tailoring a list to beat a single specific army does nothing to help against other armies.

In this case it means they find Eldar games easier, but would struggle with any form of mild horde army.

It does not mean Eldar are not the top army though.
However, majority of tournament players run Eldar, so kitting up against them assures more easier games as a whole.
However, it shoots you in the foot when playing anyone other than Eldar.

So not really a viable tactic for winning tournaments with.

Its less about list tailoring and more about Eldar being one of the yardsticks that you use when designing your army list to figure out how viable your army will be in a tournament. Its about having the tools to deal with a Wraithknight, Scatter Bikes, Warp Spiders, etc while still being able to handle other sorts of threats. The extreme solutions to problems that aren't practical against most other things are usually a bad idea in a tournament setting. For example spamming devilfish with smart missile systems to deal with warp spiders.

The fact that content houserules are created to help nerf the codex and it still does ridiculously well says a lot.

 Happyjew wrote:

40kmaster1 wrote:

 JamesY wrote:
Another factor to consider is that a lot of people might be writing lists designed to take on high powered Eldar lists, as they are seen as the main competition.

if that's the case then eldar aren't the top dogs anymore because if your list can beat eldar then it should be able to take on any other list as well. Technically

Not necessarily. If you are spamming grav and melta (to deal with the plethora of 3+ saves in the normal comp eldar list), you will not do as well against the IG Infantry blob list.

Space marines have far more than enough cheese to deal with any other army even when tailoring to fight eldar. I wouldn't say they are better than eldar, but they are certainly tied with them.

 Happyjew wrote:

40kmaster1 wrote:

 JamesY wrote:
Another factor to consider is that a lot of people might be writing lists designed to take on high powered Eldar lists, as they are seen as the main competition.

if that's the case then eldar aren't the top dogs anymore because if your list can beat eldar then it should be able to take on any other list as well. Technically

Not necessarily. If you are spamming grav and melta (to deal with the plethora of 3+ saves in the normal comp eldar list), you will not do as well against the IG Infantry blob list.

The thing is if you can deal with tough mobile lists like eldar you can deal with 95% of all the lists in a regular competitive tournament. It's not that likely to face something like a greentide or ig blob as such lists are pretty hard to play, collect and are generally at a disadvantage against the majority of lists now as they are slow, cubersome, not very hard hitting as the force is spread and prone to being countered by many things like all that same scatbikes, wk, wiverns, psy stuff, etc. Oh, and they require 5 hour games.

Space marines are much more op then eldar hands down same with tau

40kmaster1 wrote:
Space marines are much more op then eldar hands down same with tau

Let me point you towards the biggest event that uses close to the rules of the base game: Adepticon.

7 out of the top 16 lists were primarily Eldar, and several more had eldar shoehorned into their lists.

If you want to see the power level of the various armies in the real rules of the game, and not the tournament house-rules, look at adepticon.

Marines are the most played so anything they have a problem fighting will always be the most op and hated. So take alot of it with a salt lick.