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Hi guys,


Sorry if this was already posted but I can't seem to find a similar topic.

I had a game with my mate the other day and we had quite a debate about this.

Lets say we have 2 friendly units next to each other. Your opponent targets unit A with a blast weapon deliberately placing the blast template to clip unit B as well. Can unit B declare actions against this attack as well (jink for example)?

Thanks!

per the FAQ they can.

Pre FAQ they would not be able to as they were not the unit "targeted". Post FAQ, as mentioned above, they can

 nimodo wrote:
Pre FAQ they would not be able to as they were not the unit "targeted". Post FAQ, as mentioned above, they can

Very true, you can't jink, (etc...) for a unit that was not targeted

Except you can , with the FAQ.

excidium666 wrote:
Hi guys,


Sorry if this was already posted but I can't seem to find a similar topic.

I had a game with my mate the other day and we had quite a debate about this.

Lets say we have 2 friendly units next to each other. Your opponent targets unit A with a blast weapon deliberately placing the blast template to clip unit B as well. Can unit B declare actions against this attack as well (jink for example)?

Thanks!

Just out of curiosity, did your mate cover as much of target A as possible? Of course if it scatters to hit both units that's different.

 Happyjew wrote:

excidium666 wrote:
Hi guys,


Sorry if this was already posted but I can't seem to find a similar topic.

I had a game with my mate the other day and we had quite a debate about this.

Lets say we have 2 friendly units next to each other. Your opponent targets unit A with a blast weapon deliberately placing the blast template to clip unit B as well. Can unit B declare actions against this attack as well (jink for example)?

Thanks!

Just out of curiosity, did your mate cover as much of target A as possible? Of course if it scatters to hit both units that's different.

I think that cover as much of the target as possible has to do with flame templates only.

 Happyjew wrote:

excidium666 wrote:
Hi guys,


Sorry if this was already posted but I can't seem to find a similar topic.

I had a game with my mate the other day and we had quite a debate about this.

Lets say we have 2 friendly units next to each other. Your opponent targets unit A with a blast weapon deliberately placing the blast template to clip unit B as well. Can unit B declare actions against this attack as well (jink for example)?

Thanks!

Just out of curiosity, did your mate cover as much of target A as possible? Of course if it scatters to hit both units that's different.

That rule only applies to Blast Markers, not (teardrop for flamer style weapons) Templates

Reverse that nos.

Only the teardrop template must be placed to cover as many models in the target unit as possible.

The blast markers simply require the center hole to be entirely over a model in the target unit(and as I am going off of memory I am not even certain if it is the entire center hole in this edition); so yes, you can use it to "target" multiple units(along with the obvious scattering over several)

Gah, teach me to post quickly

Yes, its a reverse of what I initiiaky said - only flamer templates have to cover as much as possible

Just out of curiosity how does the template rule interact with torrent? The new FAQ probably has brought this up. Torrent specifies that you chose the starting location for the template and the end has to be farther away from the starting point. So are you allowed to deliberately place torrent in such a way that you hit other squads instead of maximizing on the target squad?

 Xenomancers wrote:
Just out of curiosity how does the template rule interact with torrent? The new FAQ probably has brought this up. Torrent specifies that you chose the starting location for the template and the end has to be farther away from the starting point. So are you allowed to deliberately place torrent in such a way that you hit other squads instead of maximizing on the target squad?

That's clarified in the first sentence of the Torrent rules:

A weapon with this special rule is treated like any other Template weapon, but...

except you don't chose the starting location for non torrent flamers. My question is does the template ruling force you to chose a location to maximize on your target squad? Or can you chose any location you want and maximize on your target squad from there. I can easily place a template so that it is impossible to hit more than one enemy model in a unit while the starting point of the torrent template is closer to the firing model than the end of it - simply by placing the template on the farthest model away in the unit.

Again, the Torrent rules tell you how they differ from Template weapons. All of the other Template rules remain in effect.

 Xenomancers wrote:
except you don't chose the starting location for non torrent flamers.

Except you sort-of do - you are not required to use the closest point on the firing model's base, you can place the template starting at the side of the base if it results in a better hit - an important note for deep-striking units where the direct line to the enemy can be blocked by friendly models.