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Reading the gk codex (I'm allying in some gk with my admech) and was looking at Gatling psilencer. Noticed it had the force special rule. How does that work with ranged attacks? The DK is a psyker mastery 1 .. So does he have to use a dice to activate the weapons force ability? So:
Psy phase: DK uses a dice to activate force on 4+
Shooting phase: now the Gatling psi has ID special rule?

Thanks!

Caedes wrote:

Psy phase: DK uses a dice to activate force on 4+
Shooting phase: now the Gatling psi has ID special rule?

Yes, that's right. The Dreadknight has to successfully cast Force in the Psychic phase, and then Force applies to the Psilencer.

I did so enjoy it when one of these guys teleported the length of the battlefield and killed my daemon prince on turn 1. Literally nothing I could do about it.

Crispy78 wrote:
I did so enjoy it when one of these guys teleported the length of the battlefield and killed my daemon prince on turn 1. Literally nothing I could do about it.

Cry. That is all you can do. Or, y'know, pray to your Chaos God of choice to smite your enemy. Either/or.

Or don't leave your Daemon Prince out where enemy Dreadknights can hunt them down?

Nomeny wrote:
Or don't leave your Daemon Prince out where enemy Dreadknights can hunt them down?

It is almost impossible to completely hide a Daemon Prince from an enemy that can shunt 30 inches...

Crispy78 wrote:
I did so enjoy it when one of these guys teleported the length of the battlefield and killed my daemon prince on turn 1. Literally nothing I could do about it.

To be fair, those were pretty long odds if it was killed by a psylincer. Wound on 6s, 3+ save. Then again, it does get like 12 shots. There's probably a reason ID ranged weapons are pretty rare.

So how does a knight with the Gatling, a heavy psycannon and a great sword, +teleporter stack up vrs tau? I'm hoping it'll be a solid punch and help out my knight Titan in regards to dealing with riptides, storm surge and ghost keels.

You get your one shot before they D-missile and hymp your DK off the table.

How do high yield missile pods one turn him off the table? Defensively the DK is still a 4 wound toughness 6 mc with a 2+/5+ That can be a 4++.

Correct if I'm wrong, but the hymp is a ap 4 weapon. Yea it wounds on 3+ but I get the 2+ save.

D missile is a threat to anything. If it gets that lucky 6 it'll take down pretty much anything short of a reaver on a average roll. So .... Yea. The thing is my army has an imperial knight, I figure if I'm getting D missiles shot at me - i would rather they head towards the dread knight.

My question (second part) is weather the DK with psi/pay/sword/jump could be a threat to a suit heavy tau army. Or if it would pretty much fail and not even scratch the paint.

Caedes wrote:
So how does a knight with the Gatling, a heavy psycannon and a great sword, +teleporter stack up vrs tau? I'm hoping it'll be a solid punch and help out my knight Titan in regards to dealing with riptides, storm surge and ghost keels.

Same thing as MCs. You've got 12 shots, hit on 3s, wound on 5s or 6s, and your target gets 3+ / 2+s (dpeneding on ghostkeels/riptides). Your odds are long, but if you do even one little unsaved wound, the MC goes away. It's a long shot for a big payoff.

V. GMCs (stormsurges) ID weapons do D3 wounds instead.

Caedes wrote:
How do high yield missile pods one turn him off the table? Defensively the DK is still a 4 wound toughness 6 mc with a 2+/5+ That can be a 4++.

Correct if I'm wrong, but the hymp is a ap 4 weapon. Yea it wounds on 3+ but I get the 2+ save.

D missile is a threat to anything. If it gets that lucky 6 it'll take down pretty much anything short of a reaver on a average roll. So .... Yea. The thing is my army has an imperial knight, I figure if I'm getting D missiles shot at me - i would rather they head towards the dread knight.

My question (second part) is weather the DK with psi/pay/sword/jump could be a threat to a suit heavy tau army. Or if it would pretty much fail and not even scratch the paint.

DK only gets a single save. You spam him with S7 vs T6, and inflict mass wounds and force him to roll "1"s. It works for my BA with weaker weapons, so I know it will work for Tau. Having only one save is one reason the DK is reasonable compared to the Stimtide.

Ah ok. I have done the same thing, against stuff like terminators and whatnot. Just force a ton of saves and with enough dice those magical 1s add up.

It just sounded like the impression was a DK would get totally owned by a single hymp unit. More Likley it will absorb multiple units fire, drawing a significant amount. Hopefully away from my more ... Valuable units or at least give me a turn to reach combat and relative safety. Target saturation theory and all that.

Thanks for the help!

Realize fire warriors wound DK on a "5" as well. That's double the wounds that marines would deal. So between the HYMP and pulse rifles, you can bring them down quickly.

I don't consider the gatling silencer a big threat to anything other than daemons and nids.

Martel732 wrote:
Realize fire warriors wound DK on a "5" as well. That's double the wounds that marines would deal. So between the HYMP and pulse rifles, you can bring them down quickly.

I don't consider the gatling silencer a big threat to anything other than daemons and nids.

AKA Weight of volume.

DK has an ok chance to survive with that 2+ armor saves. and iv seen people get lucky with those.

on the up side it gives the rest of your army a chance to move up and try a thing. otherwise take more than 1 baby carrier.

I don't actually own a second one. But I was planning on supporting it with a sizable admech/skittari force, an imperial knight, and my gk Contignant is a Libby, some termies and a LRC. Hopefully lots of choices for things to shoot at, and most should be pretty durable. I *hope*

For loadout, the sword seems like a good choice, and the heavy psycannon is awsome. For its second weapon tho... I like the 12 shots from the psilencer ... But maybe the flamer is a better buy?

Update: game went well. Managed a win against the tau (which included 2 riptides a ghost keel, 4 broadside and a stormsurge.)

The DK did a decent job taking out some early marker support with the incinerator, drew some solid fire for a few rounds then lost its last wound in combat with a riptide. But it allowed my knight to get into combat almost unscathed and wreck apart the tau lines. It Got both riptides, a broad side unit, crisis unit, and was about to charge the stormsurge when we called the game due to time, with the tau admitting defeat.
When all said and done: I had lost my gk termies and DK, 1 unit of vanguard, about half my electro priests, and both units of destroyers. However I'd taken out his marker drones, pathfinders, both riptides, 2 units of firewarriors, a unit of stealth, a Crisis team, broadside team. All he had left was a few units of fire warriors, a badley wounded broadside squad, the ghostkeel (locked in combat) and a stormsurge about to get charged. So pretty solid game! Thanks to everyone who helped with the above questions.

 DeathReaper wrote:

Nomeny wrote:
Or don't leave your Daemon Prince out where enemy Dreadknights can hunt them down?

It is almost impossible to completely hide a Daemon Prince from an enemy that can shunt 30 inches...

Just leave it in reserves.

Nomeny wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

Nomeny wrote:
Or don't leave your Daemon Prince out where enemy Dreadknights can hunt them down?

It is almost impossible to completely hide a Daemon Prince from an enemy that can shunt 30 inches...

Just leave it in reserves.

Ok, so just save the shunt for when it comes in...

Or if it deep strikes, ID intercept it.