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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/08 23:57:51
Subject: Sulu is gay in next Star Trek movie. George Takei says decision is unfortunate.
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New came out about this character, and I believe it was done in homage to Mr. Takei however it seems he is not necessarily flattered.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/adambvary/john-cho-sulu-a-gay-man-in-star-trek-beyond?utm_term=.uuokOEp0Y#.nxKlmxbzq
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/09 00:11:53
Subject: Re:Sulu is gay in next Star Trek movie. George Takei says decision is unfortunate.
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Douglas Bader
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He has a point. TBH, Star Trek should have moved on from the original crew anyway and made a new series with new characters and none of the baggage of trying to copy TOS. Then none of this would matter.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/09 00:24:31
Subject: Sulu is gay in next Star Trek movie. George Takei says decision is unfortunate.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Agree with Takei, there was no need to alter Sulu for this.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/09 00:25:40
Subject: Re:Sulu is gay in next Star Trek movie. George Takei says decision is unfortunate.
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I think Simon Pegg's response is eloquent and explains the reasoning behind the decision well enough. Also bolding the last bit, since it allows people who disapprove of this character development an "out" so to speak.
Simon Pegg wrote:
I have huge love and respect for George Takei, his heart, courage and humour are an inspiration. However, with regards to his thoughts on our Sulu, I must respectfully disagree with him. He’s right, it is unfortunate, it’s unfortunate that the screen version of the most inclusive, tolerant universe in science fiction hasn’t featured an LGBT character until now. We could have introduced a new gay character but he or she would have been primarily defined by their sexuality, seen as the ‘gay character,’ rather than simply for who they are and isn’t that tokenism?
Justin Lin, Doug Jung, and I loved the idea of it being someone we already knew because the audience have a pre-existing opinion of that character as a human being, unaffected by any prejudice. Their sexual orientation is just one of many personal aspects, not the defining characteristic. Also, the audience would infer that there has been an LGBT presence in the Trek Universe from the beginning (at least in the Kelvin timeline), that a gay hero isn’t something new or strange. It’s also important to note that at no point do we suggest that our Sulu was ever closeted, why would he need to be? It’s just hasn’t come up before.
I don’t believe Gene Roddenberry’s decision to make the prime timeline’s Enterprise crew straight was an artistic one, more a necessity of the time. Trek rightly gets a lot of love for featuring the first interracial kiss on US television but ‘Plato’s Stepchildren’ was the lowest rated episode ever. The viewing audience weren’t open minded enough at the time and it must have forced Roddenberry to modulate his innovation. His mantra was always ‘infinite diversity in infinite combinations’. If he could have explored Sulu’s sexuality with George, he no doubt would have. Roddenberry was a visionary and a pioneer but we choose our battles carefully.
Our Trek is an alternate timeline with alternate details. Whatever magic ingredient determines our sexuality was different for Sulu in our timeline. I like this idea because it suggests that in a hypothetical multiverse, across an infinite matrix of alternate realities, we are all LGBT somewhere. Whatever dimension we inhabit, we all just want to be loved by those we love*. I can’t speak for every reality but that must surely true of this one. Live long and prosper.
Simon Pegg, July 2016
*and I ❤ George Takei
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/09 00:27:59
Subject: Sulu is gay in next Star Trek movie. George Takei says decision is unfortunate.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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How is turning an existing character with no hints of any kind suddenly into an LGBT character not tokenism though? They are making it way more of an highlight by using Sulu for this instead of a new character.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/09 00:29:15
Subject: Sulu is gay in next Star Trek movie. George Takei says decision is unfortunate.
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Oddly normally i'd consider this change (since it'd be a tribute to a gay person) but 'Sulu' (george takei) the one the tribute is for doesn't want it. If they are truly giving this tribute to him and trying to respect him they should respect his decision and not do it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/09 00:33:59
Subject: Re:Sulu is gay in next Star Trek movie. George Takei says decision is unfortunate.
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Already being discussed here:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/695988.page#8762554
Please go there for the ongoing discussion.
Thanks!
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