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I understand the dislike of the Eldar, as they are arrogant and hostile, and the orks, who are murderous warlike beings, but what about the few inbetween. If Big-E had been alive and well when we met the Tau, what do you think he would do to them? Why does the =][= use those orange monkeys, or the Dark Angels little dudes who carry the helmets for Captains? I know he has already made a thousand stupid mistakes, and so it seems he serves to fit the setting of Chaos and Grimdark they created, rather than the story developing into this. Like, they wrote the ending, where we are now, and then wrote the beginning to fit that, so they had to make him how he is. I think he would destroy the Tau, since he did the same thing with Horus and those advanced humans who you know who stole from.

The imperium has a history of using aliens that aren't "sentient" - like the jokaero (orange monkeys) who they use because they make stuff. That's ALL they do - make stuff - it's hardwired into their genes to be makers. If you capture one, it will just spend its time making stuff to facilitate escape. No idea what the night goblins the DA use are. Jawas perhaps?

There's an element of "this universe is for humans because of divine right".

I don't think there's an over-arching story arc for the game - it's like LOST - they make it up as they go along.

The Emperor was around the time, when aliens preyed on humanity, after the end of DAoT. Hell, even during that golden age, the majority of the Xenos were still devious, cruel and tried to destroy humans. The Emperor lived through all of this and saw it with his very eyes.

Not to mention that even if mankind had good dealing with the majority of alien races, he was still the main advocate of "humans shall rule the galaxy". So you know, either way he was a bit of a racist, xenophobic a-hole.

 chromedog wrote:
The imperium has a history of using aliens that aren't "sentient" - like the jokaero (orange monkeys) who they use because they make stuff. That's ALL they do - make stuff - it's hardwired into their genes to be makers. If you capture one, it will just spend its time making stuff to facilitate escape. No idea what the night goblins the DA use are. Jawas perhaps?

There's an element of "this universe is for humans because of divine right".

I don't think there's an over-arching story arc for the game - it's like LOST - they make it up as they go along.

Watchers in the Dark are more "they're all over the house and we don't know what to do. We just....leave them."

Yeah, the Imperium and the Emperor aren't grimdark for fun, they have to be that way because it is the best way to endure and survive: the vast, vast majority of the xenos civilisation tried / try to destroy mankind.
You mentioned the tau, for example.
What do they want ? To destroy the Imperium and to take control of mankind by absorbing them into their own empire.
This is inacceptable.

Because Xenos in 40k do not want to collaborate or join together as equals. They wish to enslave, destroy or harvest humanity. Any peaceful alien races seemed to have died out long ago so all that is left are the crazy ones.

In that situation the only solution is to wipe them out.

Well, the Emperor had a fascist theme going on. Humans v Xenos is just one of the 'outsiders' that validate his tyranny. As well, though, it could be that the Apotheosis he was seeking required human souls. Xenos souls got in the way of that.

Xenos have a tendency to oppress and subjugate mankind, or occasionally create new Chaos Gods.

Best to exterminate them as a matter of procedure, unless their existence can be justified like the Jokaero's can [and even they live in the captivity of the Inquisition]

It's amazing how many Xenos are hostile considering the IoM just flat out goes for kill on sight no matter what...

Because a genestealer stole his date for the prom.

He's held a grudge ever since.

Because the emperor is a technobarbarian warlord who and his empire is build on conquering all who bow before him and purging all those who don't or are too different to fit in his grand idea.

He is not the good guy in this story.

Orks wanna punch everything for the laughs.
Eldar are willing to slaughter trillions of 'lesser races' to save one of their own.
Tau are just as bad (worse, depending on how you view mind control).
most other races we've seen in the fluff are malevolent.
Necrons want mass genocide 'cause you're on their lawn.
'Nids just wanna eat you.


the thing is: durring and before the golden age of humanity, humans were subjugated to some terrible crap, and the Emperor saw that, and the Emperor would NOT let it happen again.

 Brennonjw wrote:
Orks wanna punch everything for the laughs.
Eldar are willing to slaughter trillions of 'lesser races' to save one of their own.
Tau are just as bad (worse, depending on how you view mind control).
most other races we've seen in the fluff are malevolent.
Necrons want mass genocide 'cause you're on their lawn.
'Nids just wanna eat you.


the thing is: durring and before the golden age of humanity, humans were subjugated to some terrible crap, and the Emperor saw that, and the Emperor would NOT let it happen again.

That would make sense if there weren't alien races perfectly non threatening and happy to co exist. The Emperor really just encourages aliens to try and smash the Imperium.

Odd, I thought I remembered in the older editions the Emperor occasionally collaborated with xenos races for mutual benefit - so long as humanity got the better deal and/or the alien races willingly submitted to human superiority. Am I simply misremembering this?

He did indeed collaborate with powerfull xenos species with in secret. He was just not the most reliable partner and preferred to crush them / eradicate their entire civilisation if there was not enough to be gained from it. It is still referenced at in the newer fluff / novels. The thing is that he a corpse now this makes contacting him hard for most xenos species who used to contact him in the past.

 Stormonu wrote:
Odd, I thought I remembered in the older editions the Emperor occasionally collaborated with xenos races for mutual benefit - so long as humanity got the better deal and/or the alien races willingly submitted to human superiority. Am I simply misremembering this?

Old Fluff had more interaction with alien races. After all one could have a Farseer in your army.
I like the current fluff. Imagine humanity in a world where we are not the top of the food chain. How would we feel about the other predators?

The throne world novel still mentions friendly Xenos Emperor interaction. So it is still there.

The out-of-universe reason is that the setting is a dystopia in which everyone is evil, and in this particular respect the Imperial creed is based on the real-world ideologies of Nazism and Manifest Destiny.

Or at least it used to be that way. 40K fluff has been getting more child-friendly

pm713 wrote:

 Brennonjw wrote:
Orks wanna punch everything for the laughs.
Eldar are willing to slaughter trillions of 'lesser races' to save one of their own.
Tau are just as bad (worse, depending on how you view mind control).
most other races we've seen in the fluff are malevolent.
Necrons want mass genocide 'cause you're on their lawn.
'Nids just wanna eat you.


the thing is: durring and before the golden age of humanity, humans were subjugated to some terrible crap, and the Emperor saw that, and the Emperor would NOT let it happen again.

That would make sense if there weren't alien races perfectly non threatening and happy to co exist. The Emperor really just encourages aliens to try and smash the Imperium.

Like? Nearly every alien race, bar the Tau (who would instead seek to take humanity's colonies one by one and usurp them under the pretence for the Greater Good) has shown hostility to humanity.

Orks? Naturally.
Eldar? They'll do anything to protect their own kind.
Slaugth? Yes.
Hrud? They migrate without care, spreading entropy as they will.
Tyranids? Need to eat somewhere.
Kroot and Vespid? Buyable, but still generally under thrall of the Tau.

Tau based races are the only ones not trying to destroy humanity - instead, they're trying to usurp it.

If the Imperium didn't fight back, they'd be wiped out by the next millennia.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

Like? Nearly every alien race, bar the Tau (who would instead seek to take humanity's colonies one by one and usurp them under the pretence for the Greater Good) has shown hostility to humanity.

Na not at all. The passive alien species aren't playable races but the fluff is filled with non aggressive species. Allmost all of them had to wiped out of existence just for being sentient and noncompliant or just, being general inconvenience, where unfit as cattle / pets or just had to die because of political reasons on terra.

The Tau on the other hand are openly hostile to the IoM since it did not agree to be slaves of the fishy overlords.

 oldzoggy wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

Like? Nearly every alien race, bar the Tau (who would instead seek to take humanity's colonies one by one and usurp them under the pretence for the Greater Good) has shown hostility to humanity.

Na not at all. The passive alien species aren't playable races but the fluff is filled with non aggressive species. Allmost all of them had to wiped out of existence just for being sentient and noncompliant or just, being general inconvenience, where unfit as cattle / pets or just had to die because of political reasons on terra.

The Tau on the other hand are openly hostile to the IoM since it did not agree to be slaves of the fishy overlords.

Could you name some of these harmless races? Genuinely curious?

As for the Tau comment, you think it's wrong to resist what might be called slavery at the hands of another upstart race? The Tau tried to usurp the Imperium, the Imperium said no. Tau got hostile, Imperium reacted. Why is the Imperium at fault?

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

Like? Nearly every alien race, bar the Tau (who would instead seek to take humanity's colonies one by one and usurp them under the pretence for the Greater Good) has shown hostility to humanity.

Na not at all. The passive alien species aren't playable races but the fluff is filled with non aggressive species. Allmost all of them had to wiped out of existence just for being sentient and noncompliant or just, being general inconvenience, where unfit as cattle / pets or just had to die because of political reasons on terra.

The Tau on the other hand are openly hostile to the IoM since it did not agree to be slaves of the fishy overlords.

Could you name some of these harmless races? Genuinely curious?

As for the Tau comment, you think it's wrong to resist what might be called slavery at the hands of another upstart race? The Tau tried to usurp the Imperium, the Imperium said no. Tau got hostile, Imperium reacted. Why is the Imperium at fault?

The only non hostile alien race I can think are called grox or something like that. They're basically space cows.
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pm713 wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

Like? Nearly every alien race, bar the Tau (who would instead seek to take humanity's colonies one by one and usurp them under the pretence for the Greater Good) has shown hostility to humanity.

Na not at all. The passive alien species aren't playable races but the fluff is filled with non aggressive species. Allmost all of them had to wiped out of existence just for being sentient and noncompliant or just, being general inconvenience, where unfit as cattle / pets or just had to die because of political reasons on terra.

The Tau on the other hand are openly hostile to the IoM since it did not agree to be slaves of the fishy overlords.

Could you name some of these harmless races? Genuinely curious?

As for the Tau comment, you think it's wrong to resist what might be called slavery at the hands of another upstart race? The Tau tried to usurp the Imperium, the Imperium said no. Tau got hostile, Imperium reacted. Why is the Imperium at fault?

The only non hostile alien race I can think are called grox or something like that. They're basically space cows.
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Exactly, plus I don't think grox are even sentient?

A modern day example can be found in the beast arises series. There is a Bug type alien (not nids) that will only attack if it is provoked first.

 oldzoggy wrote:
A modern day example can be found in the beast arises series. There is a Bug type alien (not nids) that will only attack if it is provoked first.

I'm sure they left that well alone...

An other recent example are the Diasporex and xenos allies who where friendly to start off with but refused to follow imperial creed, join the IoM and betray their xenos allies. As a result of this they had to be killed off.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

Like? Nearly every alien race, bar the Tau (who would instead seek to take humanity's colonies one by one and usurp them under the pretence for the Greater Good) has shown hostility to humanity.

Na not at all. The passive alien species aren't playable races but the fluff is filled with non aggressive species. Allmost all of them had to wiped out of existence just for being sentient and noncompliant or just, being general inconvenience, where unfit as cattle / pets or just had to die because of political reasons on terra.

The Tau on the other hand are openly hostile to the IoM since it did not agree to be slaves of the fishy overlords.

Could you name some of these harmless races? Genuinely curious?

As for the Tau comment, you think it's wrong to resist what might be called slavery at the hands of another upstart race? The Tau tried to usurp the Imperium, the Imperium said no. Tau got hostile, Imperium reacted. Why is the Imperium at fault?

The only non hostile alien race I can think are called grox or something like that. They're basically space cows.
.

Exactly, plus I don't think grox are even sentient?

The fact is even Grox are hostile, they are very dangerous. This is why they lobotomize them, there was rules to play them in a White Dwarf^^

 godardc wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

Like? Nearly every alien race, bar the Tau (who would instead seek to take humanity's colonies one by one and usurp them under the pretence for the Greater Good) has shown hostility to humanity.

Na not at all. The passive alien species aren't playable races but the fluff is filled with non aggressive species. Allmost all of them had to wiped out of existence just for being sentient and noncompliant or just, being general inconvenience, where unfit as cattle / pets or just had to die because of political reasons on terra.

The Tau on the other hand are openly hostile to the IoM since it did not agree to be slaves of the fishy overlords.

Could you name some of these harmless races? Genuinely curious?

As for the Tau comment, you think it's wrong to resist what might be called slavery at the hands of another upstart race? The Tau tried to usurp the Imperium, the Imperium said no. Tau got hostile, Imperium reacted. Why is the Imperium at fault?

The only non hostile alien race I can think are called grox or something like that. They're basically space cows.
.

Exactly, plus I don't think grox are even sentient?

The fact is even Grox are hostile, they are very dangerous. This is why they lobotomize them, there was rules to play them in a White Dwarf^^

Hostile in a "we hate humanity" way or in a "defend ourselves" way?

Hostile like a mad dog or a savage beast^^

Grox are more Dinos / 2 legged gators then that they are cows ; )