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If a player is playing daemons but he has a unit that is a come to the apocalypse ally trying to create a daemon unit is the conjured unit scoring?

Example:A Chaos Daemon CAD with a small allied detachment of Imperials who conjured some daemons is the new unit scoring?

Yes they CAN score but they are not objective secured units because they aren't part of a CAD or formation. (I'm 99.5% sure I'm not a complete idiot here)

The allies table tells us how units of different Factions interract in the same army - it doesn't tell us how they interract with the player. The summoned daemons are not enemy unit to the player controlling them.

If two units from the same army are both within 3" of an objective, and they are CtA allies with each other, they will contest the objective and neither counts as holding it. But if either one of those units is on it's own, it will controll that objective (unless it is one of the four things specifically dissallowed from scoring).

As mentioned, nothing prevents it from scoring. The only gray area is whether it counts as part of a detachment or not. The BRB states that all units must have a battlefield roles and be part of a detachment, or else be unbound. So do conjured unit count as part of the Psyker's detachment? Do they make the army Unbound? Are Conjured units that are troops count as ObSec in detachments that have that command benefit?

And this situation can only happen with Imperials, since Eldar can no longer cast Malefic. The BRB says every army has access to Daemonology, and the recent Eldar codex specifies Sanctic.

That means that Imperials are the only faction that is CtA with Daemons and has Psykers.(of course this assumes that you aren't using Allies or Eldar Corsairs)

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Why are you referencing rules relatuing to building an army during game?

This isnt a grey area. Conjured untis are not part of a detachment. End of.

So do daemons conjured by Imperials count as scoring if you are using Chaos Daemons?

 CKO wrote:
So do daemons conjured by Imperials count as scoring if you are using Chaos Daemons?

Daemons conjured by anyone counts as scoring, no matter who summons them or what army you field. Always.
They just don't get command benefits (such as ObSec) from your detachment

 CKO wrote:
So do daemons conjured by Imperials count as scoring if you are using Chaos Daemons?

Again, everything in 7th edition "scores" objectives, barring the specific exceptions unambiguously noted in the rulebook.

What they dont have is "Objective secured" rule, because they canot be part of any detachment that would grant such a rule.

Do the daemons summon have the one eye open rule?

 CKO wrote:
Do the daemons summon have the one eye open rule?

They still have the Chaos Daemons Faction, regardless of who summoned them (they're probably not happy about being bossed about by Imperials) and will follow the standard rules for interactions with other Factions shown in the allies rules.

If you have an army containing Imperial psykers summoning Daemons, but also have Chaos Daemons as part of your army, the summoned Daemons will be Battle Brothers with the Daemons you started the game with, but CtA with the psykers that summoned them.

Which then leads to the issue of deploying them. CtA Allies cannot be deployed within the range that Demonology Conjuring provides.

 Charistoph wrote:
Which then leads to the issue of deploying them. CtA Allies cannot be deployed within the range that Demonology Conjuring provides.

Which then will lead to a discussion about how CtA "deploying" refers to what is done before turn 1 with the models you paid for in your army roster, i.e. Deployment. Conjured units are "deployed" via the deep strike rules. "Common sense" tells you what the difference is, but alas "common sense" is often no so common, or not enough for some people.

Better stick with summoning Daemons with Daemon Psykers (or CSMs)

 Galef wrote:

 Charistoph wrote:
Which then leads to the issue of deploying them. CtA Allies cannot be deployed within the range that Demonology Conjuring provides.

Which then will lead to a discussion about how CtA "deploying" refers to what is done before turn 1 with the models you paid for in your army roster, i.e. Deployment. Conjured units are "deployed" via the deep strike rules. "Common sense" tells you what the difference is, but alas "common sense" is often no so common, or not enough for some people.

Better stick with summoning Daemons with Daemon Psykers (or CSMs)

To which I respond that if "deploys" only happens before Turn 1, then you cannot Arrive From Reserves, including Outflank and Deep Strike, since units "deploy" when they Arrive From Reserves.

But yeah, Daemons and Conjuring is usually best left to someone without Apocalypse relations to the Conjurees for precisely that reason.

Back the other way in the whole scoring thing, do they still count with regards to kill points?

Why wouldn't they?

Again they're just a unit without a detachment. Nothing else has changed.

None of them have any special rules like Fen Wolves are 'Never scoring units'?

Again: all that has changed is that they are a unit without a detachment

They have no detachment. There is no other change to the basic rules. NOTHING

All special rules they have on their dataslate, they still have. Because that isnt a detachment rule.

You might as well ask if they are still infantry, cavalry or similar.