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As daemons, alot of the points in my lists are in upgrades, so I would include them in the total points cost of my collection. It would be easy to produce both if someone asked though.

Whichever you like?

I mean, what relevance does it have? Are you comparing sizes with someone else? (use the same method as them). Are you comparing it to how much smaller your bank account is (use whichever makes you feel better about the moths).

Are you referring to the totals shown in some peoples signatures? I'm pretty sure those are rounded up to a nice neat number, but whether it's base or with upgrades will vary per person.

Personally, I use the standard upgrades I give each squad (special weapons, often-used upgrades), but not "points-fillers" (random auspexes / meltabombs).

WYSWYG, with hidden upgrades as how I would play it. So most of my captains are in artificer armor, and my librarians are ML2.

Obviously there is going to be a little flex on what’s what, especially with magnetized options. But it’s just a ballpark number anyway.

 Quanar wrote:
Whichever you like?

I mean, what relevance does it have? Are you comparing sizes with someone else? (use the same method as them). Are you comparing it to how much smaller your bank account is (use whichever makes you feel better about the moths).

Are you referring to the totals shown in some peoples signatures? I'm pretty sure those are rounded up to a nice neat number, but whether it's base or with upgrades will vary per person.

Personally, I use the standard upgrades I give each squad (special weapons, often-used upgrades), but not "points-fillers" (random auspexes / meltabombs).

no reason, I'm just curious. One of my friends was talking about how big his SM collection has grown in the past few months, and I realised that have no idea what mine comes to

Wysiwyg on a model by model accounting is most accurate. In the case of a model with modular options, add in all the options.

SJ

double post -.-

I usually total them as they are typically fielded. So some of the invisible upgrades, but not all.

If youre selling or buying, its a different story of course.

IG added up to around 5k? in 7th ed, orks somewhere around 3500 though that was before adding 100 boyz or so. Need to recalculate them to my current game 2nd ed.

Eldars are currently around 1000 pts in 2nd ed+whatever the new exarch I got(well autarch in 7th ed terms but in 2nd ed no autarchs and exarchs are independent characters) so about 1100pts give or take.

Since in 2nd ed boyz are 14 pts and in 7th ed 6(?) that ork army is GARGANTUAN in 2nd ed The new orks themselves are 1400 pts+ alone!

 hippyjr wrote:
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With upgrades shown on model through war gear. I wouldn't count a Chaos Space Marines Veterans of the Long War, even though I always run them that way.

WYSIWYG while adding in non-model upgrades as actually used (Psyker level upgrades, for example).

I factor in the cost of their wargear.

The numbers in my sig are based on WYSIWYG and most common hidden upgrades. I do round the numbers up or down. As for totalling it up, it's simple: I just put it into Battlescribe as an Unbound army and go from there!

I figure my total army points by what their most common wargear is typically. If its used 75% or more of the time then its counted as the models point value. My Dakkajets for example don't factor in the flyboss upgrade as I only use it when its a prearranged flyer heavy game but I do count the extra super shootas as its an auto take every game.

Standard loadout based on personal preferences.

I total it up based on the upgrades I generally take for that unit.

Most things get base prices unless it's something you really can't ignore; like a Predator armed with two lascannon sponsons and the TL lascannon. I can't really in all good consciousness call that a "basic" predator.

However stuff that's not really necessary and, more importantly, not really visible on models? That depends. No one's getting melta bombs or special CCWs, but my Khorne CSM are going to have the mark.

In general, if it's something very basic to the core concept of the army, something obviously modelled on the model that is extremely prominent and crucial, or is an upgrade that is basically manditory for some other reason (Daemon Princes and armor, for example) then it'll be counted. Otherwise it's base cost.

EDIT: I Mean that while I won't count point fillers, I generally don't count "manditory" upgrades either. A librarian in Terminator armor kitted out with fancy relics and what not is only going to be counted as a very basic Librarian in Terminator armor for the purposes of points, even though in actual games I give him far more.

+1 to the idea of wysiwyg. HOWEVER I tend to point mine as wysiwyg as well as common upgrades.

For example:

When figuring my 30k tactical squads, I add in any weapons on the srgy, the vexillia, and vox as they are modeled. add onto that that I never field them without extra Close combat weapons and artificer on the srgt. If that makes sense.

I calculate by model with wysiwyg, and do not count invisible upgrades. For me, that helps give a baseline for the point value of a collection, rather than an army list.

I always count 'must-take' upgrades. There's no point in calculating a Venom without dual splinter cannons, f'rex. Upgrades I coukd take to stretch point maximums (Soul Trap) I leave out of the equation.

I calculate based on how I typically take the units as far as wargear goes. I actually have closer to 2900 points of Necrons.

I calculate based on the size of game I can play with them. So if I say I have 3000 pts of CSM, I mean I play a 3000 pt game with them, which would of course include upgrades.

I always take mine at minimum wysiwyg no hidden upgrades, and then one with all possible upgrades while still also wysiwyg. Gives a good idea of what you can do, but also how much you could also fit into a game.

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
Wysiwyg on a model by model accounting is most accurate. In the case of a model with modular options, add in all the options.

SJ

This would be really silly with crisis suits, as they would be listen this way as 298 points each. 308 if I make them Sargent.

It might make more sense to count modular options as the most expensive setup, not all of them. (so a crisis suit is "only" 82/92 points, even though that setup is utter nonsense.)

Points for mine were calculated based on physical wysiwyg.
All models paid for what they physically had.
Librarians were paid for without powers (back when they had points costs).

Vehicles, likewise.

My dreadknight (GK) had magnets for various options.
Sword/hammer hands were magnetised, so was the bare fist.
All three ranged weapons were magnetised (2 mounts).
Personal teleporter was magnetised.

Total points were based off : basic unit+most expensive cc, most expensive 2/3 ranged options + personal teleporter.

I calculate the total according to how I usually field the models WYSIWYG or not.

9200 Imperial Fists
1000 BA
2400 Slaneesh CSM
2900 KDK
1600 Nids

Hi. My name is Matt and I have a problem...

Well since I use fixed units and characters it's quite simple...Unit X is worth Y points, add up all units. Collection.

Though haven't gone through my collection yet fully so count is rising. Everything is not even painted yet so they cannot be assigned to unit yet! For example in case of orks there's actual effect on do I paint them on deth skulls or bad moon colours so hard to say yet I have about 100 odd boyz to be painted for example...

Wysiwyg, with the upgrades I usually give them in practice.

Seems like I'm in the same boat as most people here. I do wysiwyg plus the usual upgrades I give the unit. So for my nids, I typically run my horms and terms bare bones, whereas my tyrants have wings and dakka factored in.

 Cieged wrote:
WYSIWYG while adding in non-model upgrades as actually used (Psyker level upgrades, for example).

This.

Basically calculate as ideal units that if points were no limits you would want to use. You don't have to throw everything on them, just what you would and would regularly do so if given the chance.

End of the day it makes it easier for Apocalypse games.

And I know I've got plenty of space to bump and pad for more upgrades if need be.