Do too many people play Space Marines?

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**Selym**

Has anyone ever noticed that in the new releases section of the GW store, there is guaranteed to be at least one Space Marine item?

New Tau/Eldar/Daemons/Nids codex? Space Marine hardcounter / box set release.

New edition? SM Starter box.

C:SM release? At least twice as much stuff as a xenos release.

National Holiday? Themed Space Marine box set.

New game? Space Marine compatible.

**Selym**

Yea, but people buy into marines because they are the most supported thing in GW. It's circular.

At this point, GW may actually do better by only selling SM stuff, and abandoning their Xenos lines.

**Selym**

Supposed "Good Guys" in 40k:

SM, IG, SoB, Ad Mech, IK, Officio Assassinorum, Tau, Eldar

Supposed "Bad Guys" in 40k:

CSM, Tyranids, Chaos Daemons, Dark Eldar, Necrons, Orks

Good Guys Good Codexes: 6

Bad Guys Good Codexes: 2

Why the obvious favoritism for good guys in the Grim Darkness?

**Selym**

master of ordinance wrote:
Jewelfox wrote:
Red Marine wrote:
Check your Marine Privilege, marine players!

You say that in jest, but I know it'd make my life easier if some Space Marine players felt a little less entitled, and had a little more perspective and self-awareness. Or got a little less into character as the hateful murderers that they play.

When's the last time there was widespread nerd rage over a C:SM release? Even the broken powers in Angels of Death didn't inspire the kind of visceral hatred that stuff like the Stormsurge and Riptide got. Srsly, if you think GW's spoiling us non-human factions now, just imagine if Taudar got the kind of release schedule that codex SM get.

I can second this - it does seem that some Marine players seem to feel that their army of choice gives them some special status that raises them above us all.

This is sadly my experience. I have yet to come across a person who uses C:SM as their primary army that wasn't a tfg about it. Irl, ofc.

Killed a terminator with lasguns? Guardsmen are op.
Predator rolls a 1 to wound against a CSM unit? CSM are too cheap.
Used an Ap3 weapon that scores a kill? Too much Ap3 in the game, SM shouldn't have to pay for power armour.
Gladius gives free transports? CSM formations are worse.
BT joined C:SM but can't use the formations without breaking fluff? Shoulda got their own codex.
Lost to C:SM? Git gud scrub.

**Selym**

Martel732 wrote:
Selym wrote:
master of ordinance wrote:
Jewelfox wrote:
Red Marine wrote:
Check your Marine Privilege, marine players!

You say that in jest, but I know it'd make my life easier if some Space Marine players felt a little less entitled, and had a little more perspective and self-awareness. Or got a little less into character as the hateful murderers that they play.

When's the last time there was widespread nerd rage over a C:SM release? Even the broken powers in Angels of Death didn't inspire the kind of visceral hatred that stuff like the Stormsurge and Riptide got. Srsly, if you think GW's spoiling us non-human factions now, just imagine if Taudar got the kind of release schedule that codex SM get.

I can second this - it does seem that some Marine players seem to feel that their army of choice gives them some special status that raises them above us all.
This is sadly my experience. I have yet to come across a person who uses C:SM as their primary army that wasn't a tfg about it. Irl, ofc.

Killed a terminator with lasguns? Guardsmen are op.
Predator rolls a 1 to wound against a CSM unit? CSM are too cheap.
Used an Ap3 weapon that scores a kill? Too much Ap3 in the game, SM shouldn't have to pay for power armour.
Gladius gives free transports? CSM formations are worse.
BT joined C:SM but can't use the formations without breaking fluff? Shoulda got their own codex.
Lost to C:SM? Git gud scrub.

But it's okay for Tau to table them in 3 turns? Okay, sure.

Tau table who? And no, it's not okay. Unlike some people I could mention, I'm at least consistent on my views.

**Selym**

Martel732 wrote:
Primarily DA and BA. But a marine list that tries to use actual marines against Tau is just taking lambs to the slaughter.

I gotten 1600 pts of BA into the Tau deployment zone before and still lost because they crippled my list in one turn of shooting.

There's a reason why I stated C:SM, rather than just SM.

**Selym**

Try my best friend, chief bemoaner and perpetrator of the Incredible Double Standard.

**Selym**

What is claimed in BA fluff?

We should rate codexes based on RoA and fluff accuracy.

**Selym**

What is a BA tactical marine's capabilities, compared to a C:SM tactical marine?

**Selym**

Why no grav?

**Selym**

There's something wrong with GW.

In the head.

**Selym**

It's from irl experiences. That and an enormous predominance of marines on the TT has given us a bad case of overexposure. Note that in the very large number of threads these experiences have been quoted in, there had never been a response indicating that such behaviour is common in people whose primary army is not C:SM.

**Selym**

Dantes_Baals wrote:
Selym wrote:
It's from irl experiences. That and an enormous predominance of marines on the TT has given us a bad case of overexposure. Note that in the very large number of threads these experiences have been quoted in, there had never been a response indicating that such behaviour is common in people whose primary army is not C:SM.

I find it odd that a game would spark that kind of the bitterness against the actual players though. It seems incredibly stupid to me. It would be if I tried to claim all Tau players are wife-beating scumbags. I mean I don't like playing tau. I don't think the army fits very well into 40k and very much a money grab on the anime crowd. It stops with the army though. I only dislike one Tau player and that's because he's a prick. Nothing to do with the army he plays. I find it odd that it's always the same 2 or 3 posters claiming these "irl" experiences occur in the regular. Given such a low amount of people making claims wouldn't it suggest the opposite about marine players?

I mean I don't doubt people run into TFG marine players every now and then. But the same few people who post their "anecdotes" have this problem with every marine player. Yet they still play them. It tells me that half the stories are either exaggerated or BS. Or even that they may be the problem themselves. As I said, I don't doubt there are d-bag SM players out there. Doesn't make sense to hold an Axe to grind against all SM players in general though.

As far as I can tell, we're commenting only on players we know in person. And then expanding that trend into statements that thus far have gone largely uncontested. The phenomenon has not really been know to occur outside of true TFG's - and they jump from army to army based on what is most op at the time.

**Selym**

master of ordinance wrote:
Jewelfox wrote:
I nominate "Games Workshop takes their time to overhaul the system, and updates every faction at once and continues tweaking them as time goes on."

Warmachine may have spoiled me.

I second this....
And I blame Warlord Games for spoiling me.

I nominate free-to-use fanon rules!

NetEpic may have spoiled me...

**Selym**

Reference their release schedule looking like this:

C:SM
C:SM and Tau
C:BA
C:SW
C:SM and Eldar
C: DA
C:SM and CSM
C:SM and Daemons
C:SM
C:SM and Tyranids

**Selym**

And it is only sales figures that will convince GW management that players are interested in the xenos and chaos factions.

As far as they can tell, only a vocal minority doesn't want to play Marinehammer.

**Selym**

Marking all your posts as spam until you make them relevant to the threads.

**Selym**

Probably.

Much as I hate the SM spam, I have a BT army.

Seriously lacking in anything even vaguely useable in a game, and barely anything for my troops quotient, but it has had a good number of chances to kill some other marines.

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casvalremdeikun wrote:
Selym wrote:
And it is only sales figures that will convince GW management that players are interested in the xenos and chaos factions.

As far as they can tell, only a vocal minority doesn't want to play Marinehammer.
So what is the solution to that problem? They have already buffed a good number of the xenos armies to the point they are as powerful or more powerful than Space Marines, probably in an effort to entice players to buy them, yet here we sit with a continual stream of SM products.

Possibly they over did it. Eldar and Necrons are regarded as op and/or annoying af, and it's hardly like their entire range became noteworthy selling points. After an initial craze for certain things, their sales probably dropped off the radar.

Further to this is that production lines probably take a good 2-4 years to properly implement. We'd likely not see the outcome of a particular shift for a couple of years, and right now GW is changing stuff so fast that they cannot attribute any success to any individual change.

**Selym**

It's what they seem to release in general. If it's a SM update, there will be lots of SM updates, and lots of SM. If it's a Xenos update, it almost always comes with more SM.