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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/26 06:53:33
Subject: Renegade Master of the Horde -- what happen if the warlord dies?
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Tough Traitorous Guardsman
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In a Renegade army, the Warlord may be upgraded to some options, one of which is Master of the Horde.
The rule says: "Whenever an individual Renegade Infantry squad bought as part of the same army as a Demagogue with this Devotion and numbering at least 15 models at the start of play is removed from play as a casualty [...], roll a D6." On a 5+, an identical unit is placed in reserve.
Do I continue to roll even if my warlord is dead?
I incline to say no, but some say yes.
What do you think?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/26 07:25:51
Subject: Re:Renegade Master of the Horde -- what happen if the warlord dies?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Was the "squad bought as part of the same army as a Demagogue with this Devotion and numbering at least 15 models at the start of play"?
Yes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/26 07:30:57
Subject: Renegade Master of the Horde -- what happen if the warlord dies?
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Auspicious Daemonic Herald
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The answer isn't clear because the Special ability of Devotions aren't clearly defined as an ability of the warlord as an ability of your army/infantry
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/26 08:53:10
Subject: Re:Renegade Master of the Horde -- what happen if the warlord dies?
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Tough Traitorous Guardsman
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The answer isn't clear because the Special ability of Devotions aren't clearly defined as an ability of the warlord as an ability of your army/infantry
Yeah. But to me it seems more like a special rule of my warlord than of my infantry squads. If he dies, no one in the army is there for the rule to ''exist''. The rule is triggered by an event which is not related to my warlord, namely the death of an infantry squad, but the rule is on play only because my warlord is on the board. It is not an upgrade of my squads, but an upgrade of the warlord. It says : ''A single demagogue [...] in the army may be upgraded with one of the following options''. In a way, it's like a warlord trait.
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This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2016/07/26 08:57:57
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/26 17:59:20
Subject: Renegade Master of the Horde -- what happen if the warlord dies?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I disagree. The HQ with the Devotion could be in reserve or removed from play and it isn't required as a model for the devotion to work.
The devotion is explained as an army option. One demagogue - and only one per army! - may be upgraded with one of the devotions. See page 152 IA13, or page 238 Siege of Vraks.
While some devotions have effects for the model itself, the majority is about modifying how the army works. Devotions are mutually exclusive army-wide modifications, more like chapter tactics than anything else.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/26 19:01:39
Subject: Re:Renegade Master of the Horde -- what happen if the warlord dies?
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Tough Traitorous Guardsman
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While some devotions have effects for the model itself, the majority is about modifying how the army works.
Convincing. Yeah!
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/07/26 20:50:14
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/27 09:53:48
Subject: Renegade Master of the Horde -- what happen if the warlord dies?
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Confessor Of Sins
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Stephanius wrote:While some devotions have effects for the model itself, the majority is about modifying how the army works. Devotions are mutually exclusive army-wide modifications, more like chapter tactics than anything else.
Chapter Tactics, or like how some Warlords/ HQ let you take certain extra units or put units in different CAD slots when building your army. Just having the guy removed as a casualty doesn't suddenly make your army illegal. They were still bought as part of an army led by this guy.
IMO Master of the Horde is the same sort of special rule, especially since it says "bought as part of the same army". That's the requirement, not having the guy alive.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/27 10:16:49
Subject: Re:Renegade Master of the Horde -- what happen if the warlord dies?
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Tough Traitorous Guardsman
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I am sold on this.
(But notice that the Master of the Horde devotion is not changing battle roles and the army structure like the other devotions.)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/07 10:23:49
Subject: Re:Renegade Master of the Horde -- what happen if the warlord dies?
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Tough Traitorous Guardsman
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FW answer, via their FB account, is : the Master of the Horde rule stops working if the warlord dies.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/11 19:25:32
Subject: Renegade Master of the Horde -- what happen if the warlord dies?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Based on RAW it continues even if the Warlord dies because it's a detachment rule. Maybe they will change it some day but that is currently how it works.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/11 20:53:01
Subject: Renegade Master of the Horde -- what happen if the warlord dies?
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Auspicious Daemonic Herald
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Virules wrote:Based on RAW it continues even if the Warlord dies because it's a detachment rule. Maybe they will change it some day but that is currently how it works.
its not a detachment rule, it's an upgrade on the warlord that has effects on units in the detachment
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