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With AoS over a year old now and new models being released I am wondering if Dwarfs and Elves and empire are getting/have gotten new models? I know there is a new faction called fyreslayers with new models, but are they the new dwarfs or will the old dwarfs be updated? Same question regarding High Elves and Empire.

If by old dwarfs you mean the dwarfs from fantasy they get nothing. Ever. However there were some rumours that steamhead duardin who are the new non slayer dwarfs are out before the end of the year a bit ago.

All 3 factions kinda got some new models:

Fyreslayers are the new Troll Slayers, but quite different lore wise. Still, they are little dudes with big beards, so they are definitely the dwarfs people love in many ways.

Another Dwarf faction is rumoured for September, the Steamhead Duardin. Apparently this is going to take the steampunk elements old dwarfs had and ramp it up to 11. Take with a pinch of salt because I haven't seen anyone reliable chip in with this rumour just yet.

Aelfs (Elves) got 2 new models in the new Warhammer Quest. One looks like a male Witch Elf and one looks like a mysterious wizard unlike any Elf seen in the old 8th edition aesthetic. Aelfs will come at some point and likely with exploration into the Realm of Shadow and discovering the fate of Slaneesh.

Empire got a new Warrior Priest in the new Warhammer Quest too. He is about 9ft tall if you compare him to an old Empire model and also he is black - so a somewhat different aesthetic overall lol. I don't bank on the Empire getting a new update really. I think we will see new Free Peoples at some point but I think they'll have an new aesthetic.

The problem with a lot of the old factions (Bretonians and Empire come to mind) is that they can't really exist anymore. There is no more Bretonia and there is no more Empire. I fully expect there to be models for these old factions (they actually still have rules), but they are no longer Bretonians or Empire. They are Free Peoples.

I don't see why you couldn't have them. You have Lizardmen being remembered into existence after all.

pm713 wrote:
I don't see why you couldn't have them. You have Lizardmen being remembered into existence after all.

I don't think you understand what I'm saying. There is no such place as Bretonia in the AoS universe, therefore no one is from Bretonia, therefore, there are no Bretonians. Some of the loose talk I've seen online points to mounted cavalry being released for the Order grand alliance, but they won't be Bretonians, they will be Free Guilds Chevaliers or something similar.

I can't WAIT for the Duradin update. I really, really hope it's true and not just a crappy rumour. Their own battletome and a Start Collecting! Duradin... please let it be true!

 EnTyme wrote:

pm713 wrote:
I don't see why you couldn't have them. You have Lizardmen being remembered into existence after all.

I don't think you understand what I'm saying. There is no such place as Bretonia in the AoS universe, therefore no one is from Bretonia, therefore, there are no Bretonians. Some of the loose talk I've seen online points to mounted cavalry being released for the Order grand alliance, but they won't be Bretonians, they will be Free Guilds Chevaliers or something similar.

I understood. Just make New Bretonnia. Done.

pm713 wrote:
Just make New Bretonnia. Done.

- Salvage

The old Dwarves, Empire and Bretonnia models all still have warscrolls and points. In fact all the old fantasy races are sill playable, they even have points in the Generals Handbook. Bretonnia and Tomb Kings have been discontinued but most of the Empire units are still available under Free People/Collegae Arcanum/Devoted of Sigmar/Ironweld Arsenal. Your can play the old stuff in AoS just like any other army like Tomb Kings. They will most likely not get an update as their have either been rolled into other factions (Death and Free People) of just plain died out with Fantasy.

Anything new Free People or Duradin will have a drastically different look from here on as they are basically a brand new race/army.

 EnTyme wrote:

pm713 wrote:
I don't see why you couldn't have them. You have Lizardmen being remembered into existence after all.

I don't think you understand what I'm saying. There is no such place as Bretonia in the AoS universe, therefore no one is from Bretonia, therefore, there are no Bretonians. Some of the loose talk I've seen online points to mounted cavalry being released for the Order grand alliance, but they won't be Bretonians, they will be Free Guilds Chevaliers or something similar.

The realms are designed to be vast enough to be considered almost infinite just for the purpose of being able to come up with new places to move the story to whenever they need it. If they truly wanted to they could make a new bretonia somewhere, but as they were they were too generic fantasy for the move they made with AoS and that's probably why they weren't brought along. No idea about the tomb kings though, they should actually still be in it considering you still have the odd thing here and there from them. Likely needing to update a majority of both ranges while trying to make new ones was a factor for both as well.

From what my ex-GW friend tells me, a Tomb King-like line is already planned, but it will be a year or two before we really see them.

The real reason Bertonia got the axe is knights in shining armor on horseback and french style peasants are much less IP friendly than a gonzo faction like living trees. The desire for an army that meets the themes of chivalry, feudalism, and Arthurian style myth is prevalent enough that I have no doubt if AoS is successful we will get something that scratches those particular itches, not soon, but eventually. They will have something that makes them IP able, maybe they will be blue, or fey, or some other twist that will enable GW to say "This is ours make knocks offs at your own peril".

 Grimgold wrote:
The real reason Bertonia got the axe is knights in shining armor on horseback and french style peasants are much less IP friendly than a gonzo faction like living trees. The desire for an army that meets the themes of chivalry, feudalism, and Arthurian style myth is prevalent enough that I have no doubt if AoS is successful we will get something that scratches those particular itches, not soon, but eventually. They will have something that makes them IP able, maybe they will be blue, or fey, or some other twist that will enable GW to say "This is ours make knocks offs at your own peril".

That is really petty, don't make an army just because it's not copy writable. Another reason GW is hurting as they are. Instead of having lawyers and bean counters run (ruin?) the company, why not actually get the people who design games and fluff and let them do their job.

Davor wrote:

 Grimgold wrote:
The real reason Bertonia got the axe is knights in shining armor on horseback and french style peasants are much less IP friendly than a gonzo faction like living trees. The desire for an army that meets the themes of chivalry, feudalism, and Arthurian style myth is prevalent enough that I have no doubt if AoS is successful we will get something that scratches those particular itches, not soon, but eventually. They will have something that makes them IP able, maybe they will be blue, or fey, or some other twist that will enable GW to say "This is ours make knocks offs at your own peril".

That is really petty, don't make an army just because it's not copy writable. Another reason GW is hurting as they are. Instead of having lawyers and bean counters run (ruin?) the company, why not actually get the people who design games and fluff and let them do their job.

Don't criticise GW. They know exactly what they're doing. They aren't managed by bumbling idiots you know. /s

pm713 wrote:
I don't see why you couldn't have them. You have Lizardmen being remembered into existence after all.

I think the Seraphon are a little different then the empire and bretts. I think the Slann went into space during the End Times... and now have come back down when AoS started........ something like that lol

 Snoopdeville3 wrote:

pm713 wrote:
I don't see why you couldn't have them. You have Lizardmen being remembered into existence after all.

I think the Seraphon are a little different then the empire and bretts. I think the Slann went into space during the End Times... and now have come back down when AoS started........ something like that lol

Bretonnia used magic. Same with Empire. Done.

They are dead Jim. All of them...

What's left are survivors and scattered remnant at best holding to days that are long gone now.

But don't worry, one day they will return with a brand new name, design and models to help the Stormcast Eternal save the universe!

Has there been any suggested time for the Aelves? Even very vague timeframes, like "Winter 2016?"

Davor wrote:


That is really petty, don't make an army just because it's not copy writable. Another reason GW is hurting as they are. Instead of having lawyers and bean counters run (ruin?) the company, why not actually get the people who design games and fluff and let them do their job.

In all fairness there are a lot of companies that would like to take advantage of GWs brand recognition, and IP laws in the US are defend or abandon, so to prevent lawsuits like the ones they lost, they are moving towards more defensible IP. The hope is with more defensible IP, they will have to go to court less, which is an expense they can avoid passing on to us the consumers. The US IP laws are super lame, not only for people like us who are interested in fair use, but for IP holders as well. GW would prefer to sue just the people who trying to exploit their IP for personal gain, but they can't be that selective, and instead have to go flying rodent gak crazy suing everyone and their dog who even looks at their IP sideways. Disney is the same way, so is paramount, blizzard, and just about any other major IP holder. For an example of what happens when you don't, did you know elevator was a brand name once upon a time, but the company who made it lost the rights to use it exclusively because they didn't defend it in time and it had become a generic trademark.

As a player I think it's lame, I loved seeing the Bertonnians and historical style models in a game as often whacky and removed from historical context as WFB. I also love the nod to classic fantasy and Arthurian myth, and seeing the heraldry some people managed to paint was breathtaking. I think GW realizes that it is a hole in their line, and if they don't fill it someone else will. So the Berotnnians will stay around in some quasi supported state until they can fill that hole with an IP of their own imagining. However before they can get to that, they need to fill out their existing lore, which means Aelfs, the new rumored dwarf faction (who sound suspiciously like the Dwmer from elder scrolls), and the free peoples faction. That is a lot of order factions, so there will of course be other factions mixed in with those, destruction and death seem the thinnest, so I imagine we will get an army or two each before GW is ready to take on the Bertonians.

God, I hope they just do to empire/dwarves what they did to savage orks: Repackage into 20-man boxes. The old dwarf models look good enough and are a nice contrast to the nekkid dorfs of the fire slayers. Empire it's harder to justify, but I love the models none-the-less.

Goddin wrote:
Has there been any suggested time for the Aelves? Even very vague timeframes, like "Winter 2016?"

The last rumor I heard was this summer, but that is clearly not going to happen. I would say winter or this year or next year at least.

 Brennonjw wrote:
God, I hope they just do to empire/dwarves what they did to savage orks: Repackage into 20-man boxes. The old dwarf models look good enough and are a nice contrast to the nekkid dorfs of the fire slayers. Empire it's harder to justify, but I love the models none-the-less.

Do remember the new dwarf release. I suspect the new models are going to based off the new engineer, irondrakes etc.

Grimgold wrote:

Davor wrote:


That is really petty, don't make an army just because it's not copy writable. Another reason GW is hurting as they are. Instead of having lawyers and bean counters run (ruin?) the company, why not actually get the people who design games and fluff and let them do their job.

In all fairness there are a lot of companies that would like to take advantage of GWs brand recognition, and IP laws in the US are defend or abandon, so to prevent lawsuits like the ones they lost, they are moving towards more defensible IP. The hope is with more defensible IP, they will have to go to court less, which is an expense they can avoid passing on to us the consumers. The US IP laws are super lame, not only for people like us who are interested in fair use, but for IP holders as well. GW would prefer to sue just the people who trying to exploit their IP for personal gain, but they can't be that selective, and instead have to go flying rodent gak crazy suing everyone and their dog who even looks at their IP sideways. Disney is the same way, so is paramount, blizzard, and just about any other major IP holder. For an example of what happens when you don't, did you know elevator was a brand name once upon a time, but the company who made it lost the rights to use it exclusively because they didn't defend it in time and it had become a generic trademark.

As a player I think it's lame, I loved seeing the Bertonnians and historical style models in a game as often whacky and removed from historical context as WFB. I also love the nod to classic fantasy and Arthurian myth, and seeing the heraldry some people managed to paint was breathtaking. I think GW realizes that it is a hole in their line, and if they don't fill it someone else will. So the Berotnnians will stay around in some quasi supported state until they can fill that hole with an IP of their own imagining. However before they can get to that, they need to fill out their existing lore, which means Aelfs, the new rumored dwarf faction (who sound suspiciously like the Dwmer from elder scrolls), and the free peoples faction. That is a lot of order factions, so there will of course be other factions mixed in with those, destruction and death seem the thinnest, so I imagine we will get an army or two each before GW is ready to take on the Bertonians.

Nice post thanks for responding. Didn't know about the elevator, that little tid bit, actually made me understand so clearly now.

That being said, what I don't understand is, how is Bretonnia (spelling?) not GW IP? How is that going to be any more different than say the new humans in Age of Sigmar? Human is human. So how is Brettonia going to be any more different from AoS humans? Just like how elf is aelf. Or Ork is Orruk now. So how is that IP protectable?

After all, GW is the master of ripping off other IPs .

It's not that other companies can't make alternative miniatures. That can always happen. See Mantic whose whole business is built upon making not-gamesworkshop games and miniatures.

The thing is with Brets is they already looked like historical miniatures and that means there were lots of alternatives for players to buy. Not from companies trying to rip off GW but from companies that were making medieval miniatures in 28mm.

The old empire models have the same problem with renaissance miniature games. When we see a new human faction I bet they won't be largely analogous to a historical human culture and will instead have their own unique look. It won't stop other companies from making similar miniatures, but it will ensure that the army has its own niche not already covered by historicals or other fantasy miniature lines.

Add that to the business model I think we're seeing now with GW, where rather than cycle through each of the armies each edition they instead constantly make new stuff and new factions - it doesn't matter if another company eventually copies a GW faction as they will have already made their money on the kits and ready to release the next new shiney faction.

 Bottle wrote:
It's not that other companies can't make alternative miniatures. That can always happen. See Mantic whose whole business is built upon making not-gamesworkshop games and miniatures.

The thing is with Brets is they already looked like historical miniatures and that means there were lots of alternatives for players to buy. Not from companies trying to rip off GW but from companies that were making medieval miniatures in 28mm.

The old empire models have the same problem with renaissance miniature games. When we see a new human faction I bet they won't be largely analogous to a historical human culture and will instead have their own unique look. It won't stop other companies from making similar miniatures, but it will ensure that the army has its own niche not already covered by historicals or other fantasy miniature lines.

Add that to the business model I think we're seeing now with GW, where rather than cycle through each of the armies each edition they instead constantly make new stuff and new factions - it doesn't matter if another company eventually copies a GW faction as they will have already made their money on the kits and ready to release the next new shiney faction.

I think this is the case it's highly like the new dwarfs are more going to be based of their new releases and the new engineer. While for humans? You just have to look at the warrior priest of sliver tower for human design I highly suspect that the devoted of sigmar are going to be the "main" human faction with free guild folded into them. They got quite a bit of attention in the fluff so far. Even in the season of war it was not the stormcast that were cleansing the realm of life of nurgle's corruption but the devoted of sigmar. The stormcast just stood around guarding cities and forts.

 shinros wrote:

 Brennonjw wrote:
God, I hope they just do to empire/dwarves what they did to savage orks: Repackage into 20-man boxes. The old dwarf models look good enough and are a nice contrast to the nekkid dorfs of the fire slayers. Empire it's harder to justify, but I love the models none-the-less.

Do remember the new dwarf release. I suspect the new models are going to based off the new engineer, irondrakes etc.

I... don't think so. The steam heads will be completely new, a la Stormcast. The Dispossessed will get a bonesplittaz-style update with multiple options/box.
Although I think the aesthetic of the Steamheads I'm expecting to see as a continuation of the gyro-copter / irondrake evolutions.

RoperPG wrote:

 shinros wrote:

 Brennonjw wrote:
God, I hope they just do to empire/dwarves what they did to savage orks: Repackage into 20-man boxes. The old dwarf models look good enough and are a nice contrast to the nekkid dorfs of the fire slayers. Empire it's harder to justify, but I love the models none-the-less.

Do remember the new dwarf release. I suspect the new models are going to based off the new engineer, irondrakes etc.

I... don't think so. The steam heads will be completely new, a la Stormcast. The Dispossessed will get a bonesplittaz-style update with multiple options/box.
Although I think the aesthetic of the Steamheads I'm expecting to see as a continuation of the gyro-copter / irondrake evolutions.

That could look good.

I dunno because none of the ironweld stuff has any battle line units.

Plus do we have any confirmation that the new dwarfs will be named "Steamhead?"

I think the path that would save GW the most money is to fold the dispossessed stuff and some of the dwarven ironweld into the new faction ALONG with new models.

Well I can also see them treating the Dispossessed like the bonesplittaz which is not all that bad either.

 shinros wrote:
I dunno because none of the ironweld stuff has any battle line units.

Plus do we have any confirmation that the new dwarfs will be named "Steamhead?"

I think the path that would save GW the most money is to fold the dispossessed stuff and some of the dwarven ironweld into the new faction ALONG with new models.

Well I can also see them treating the Dispossessed like the bonesplittaz which is not all that bad either.

I am expecting more of an ironjawz style release for the steamhead duradin with the current range of dispossessed being rolled into their own faction the same as greenskins are their own faction.