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Hey !

While writing a list for fun ( Just to see what it would look like on paper ) containing a CSM CAD and a Daemons Allied Detatchment ( Emperors Children and Slaanesh Daemons ! ) I thought to myself maaaaan wouldnt it be awesome if the other Dark Gods got their fix of Daemonkin Goodness ?

Personally I'd love to see them all, but while Nurgle would benefit me (having a huge Death Guard army ) I would most love to see a Slaanesh Daemonkin. I wonder what the rules would look like.... What their Bloodtithe/Excess points would buy.... improved FNP ? Additional Run moves/dice ? Army wide rending for the Marines ? And of course summoning a Keeper of Secrets in place of the Blood Thirster

What Daemonkin would you like to see next and what would it look like ? Aaaand do you think we will actually see them, or Will the next editions of 40k come quicker than the Daemonkin books can come out ( considering the release schedule has to accomodate all armies and 2 separate systems )?

Totally agree. Slaanesh all the way (not just because I run EC, CSM). I think Slaneesh is often, if not always underrated and has some of the coolest units. Plus I think there's something fun about running an army themed around the God of hooker and blow lol.

Slaanesh would be a breath of fresh air as we've been bombarded with Khorne this and Khorne that for a while now. When people actually play CSM they usually run straight Nurgle and when people play Chaos Demons they usually spam mostly Tzeentch units.

I have no idea what the tithe points would look like but I'd love to see:

- relentless for units with salvo weapons
- run and charge with +1Int
- +1 FNP from Icons and fleet for demons on beasts
- fearless and +1WS
- creating units of 6 demonettes on steeds of Slaneesh
- demon prince
- greater demon with D3+1 wounds, fleet and 4+ FNP

While I know that Slaanesh by nature is Excess in all its forms, meaning followers could include those who just line flaying their own skin off to make coats or something like that, I also think when I hear Slaanesh, Hookers, coke and about a dozen people thrown into a room stripped of their better judgement....and Techno music haha!

Yeah I agree Khorne has been flooded for a while now. Even Nurgle got some love in 8th Fantasy with the End Times. Slaanesh and Tzeentch are desperately in need of some loving !

Relentless with Salvo is awesome
Run and Charge I think would be awesome as a Tithe reward, same with additional FNP
Fearless and +1 WS would be an absolute must , especially since KDK blew me away when I found out they dont have Daemonic Instability tests...

While I do love the current Daemon Prince kit, a revised one including God specific bits would be awesome. A new named Slaanesh prince or Keeper would be absolutely unreal, almost like the Skarbrand of Slaanesh . I've seen amodel....Azazel (Spelling?) floating about here and there who I think was an old Named Daemon of Slaanesh. A new one would be sick... Though I'd like to stray away from the Horse-head style as that never really did it for me, I like the sleek elegant and aesthetically appealing style much like the Keeper of Secrets from Forgeworld. Deadly but seductive.

Also be interested to see some Slaaneshi Cultists....While you can use the Blood Reavers from Sigmar as 40k Khorne Cultists, I've considered using some of those Slaaneshi Flayer riders from 8th Fantasy as upper torso's to convert cultists.

Dantes_Baals wrote:
Totally agree. Slaanesh all the way (not just because I run EC, CSM). I think Slaneesh is often, if not always underrated and has some of the coolest units. Plus I think there's something fun about running an army themed around the God of hooker and blow lol.

Slaanesh would be a breath of fresh air as we've been bombarded with Khorne this and Khorne that for a while now. When people actually play CSM they usually run straight Nurgle and when people play Chaos Demons they usually spam mostly Tzeentch units.

I have no idea what the tithe points would look like but I'd love to see:

- relentless for units with salvo weapons
- run and charge with +1Int
- +1 FNP from Icons and fleet for demons on beasts
- fearless and +1WS
- creating units of 6 demonettes on steeds of Slaneesh
- demon prince
- greater demon with D3+1 wounds, fleet and 4+ FNP

If you look at the KDK tithe system, it's always a pretty blanket buff to the whole army, not a lot of specificity, and also very little mixing of rules. The exception is the one that gives both rage and furious charge, but that's only so both daemons and marine units can benefit. Also, daemonkin daemons would probably have fearless anyway since daemonic instability is fearless with drawbacks. So you'd probably end up with something like:
1 point Relentless
2 point +1WS
3 point +1I
4 point Fleet
5 point run and charge

Add summoning units to taste with a basic Keeper of Secrets, there's no reason to summon one all buffed up. I'm assuming with this that there would be a new KoS kit with different options a la the Bloodthirster, so you'd have some options anyway.

 KharnsRightHand wrote:

Dantes_Baals wrote:
Totally agree. Slaanesh all the way (not just because I run EC, CSM). I think Slaneesh is often, if not always underrated and has some of the coolest units. Plus I think there's something fun about running an army themed around the God of hooker and blow lol.

Slaanesh would be a breath of fresh air as we've been bombarded with Khorne this and Khorne that for a while now. When people actually play CSM they usually run straight Nurgle and when people play Chaos Demons they usually spam mostly Tzeentch units.

I have no idea what the tithe points would look like but I'd love to see:

- relentless for units with salvo weapons
- run and charge with +1Int
- +1 FNP from Icons and fleet for demons on beasts
- fearless and +1WS
- creating units of 6 demonettes on steeds of Slaneesh
- demon prince
- greater demon with D3+1 wounds, fleet and 4+ FNP

If you look at the KDK tithe system, it's always a pretty blanket buff to the whole army, not a lot of specificity, and also very little mixing of rules. The exception is the one that gives both rage and furious charge, but that's only so both daemons and marine units can benefit. Also, daemonkin daemons would probably have fearless anyway since daemonic instability is fearless with drawbacks. So you'd probably end up with something like:
1 point Relentless
2 point +1WS
3 point +1I
4 point Fleet
5 point run and charge

Add summoning units to taste with a basic Keeper of Secrets, there's no reason to summon one all buffed up. I'm assuming with this that there would be a new KoS kit with different options a la the Bloodthirster, so you'd have some options anyway.

I'm definitely cool with the table above. I was trying to keep with the Slaaneshi theme with the one I posted, but for simplicity sake yours make perfect sense. I would like to see +1 to FNP on icon of excess units though.

A KoS dual or triple kit like the BT would be absolutely awesome


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 Soldier0Fortune wrote:
While I know that Slaanesh by nature is Excess in all its forms, meaning followers could include those who just line flaying their own skin off to make coats or something like that, I also think when I hear Slaanesh, Hookers, coke and about a dozen people thrown into a room stripped of their better judgement....and Techno music haha!

Yeah I agree Khorne has been flooded for a while now. Even Nurgle got some love in 8th Fantasy with the End Times. Slaanesh and Tzeentch are desperately in need of some loving !

Relentless with Salvo is awesome
Run and Charge I think would be awesome as a Tithe reward, same with additional FNP
Fearless and +1 WS would be an absolute must , especially since KDK blew me away when I found out they dont have Daemonic Instability tests...

While I do love the current Daemon Prince kit, a revised one including God specific bits would be awesome. A new named Slaanesh prince or Keeper would be absolutely unreal, almost like the Skarbrand of Slaanesh . I've seen amodel....Azazel (Spelling?) floating about here and there who I think was an old Named Daemon of Slaanesh. A new one would be sick... Though I'd like to stray away from the Horse-head style as that never really did it for me, I like the sleek elegant and aesthetically appealing style much like the Keeper of Secrets from Forgeworld. Deadly but seductive.

Also be interested to see some Slaaneshi Cultists....While you can use the Blood Reavers from Sigmar as 40k Khorne Cultists, I've considered using some of those Slaaneshi Flayer riders from 8th Fantasy as upper torso's to convert cultists.

They already make a noise marines upgrade kit in finecast. It would definitely be nice to have that expanded on.

It would probably just give every unit FnP with a +1 to those who already have it. Another issue, and this isn't anything that can really be helped, is Slaanesh's holy number is 6 (maybe 7, I forget), so it'd likely only have 6 (or 7) buffs like how KDK has 8 because that's Khorne's number. Maybe they'd drop some summoning, maybe they'd put some buffs together, or maybe they'd ignore the number entirely.

 KharnsRightHand wrote:
It would probably just give every unit FnP with a +1 to those who already have it. Another issue, and this isn't anything that can really be helped, is Slaanesh's holy number is 6 (maybe 7, I forget), so it'd likely only have 6 (or 7) buffs like how KDK has 8 because that's Khorne's number. Maybe they'd drop some summoning, maybe they'd put some buffs together, or maybe they'd ignore the number entirely.

I think you are correct at 6. I think 7 is nurgle and 8 is Khorne. Tzeentch 9 ?

Id say the stacking idea would probably be what they go with, seeing as they cant really short the other DaemonKin books based on fluff. That and the newer books seem to follow the trend of overpowering the last release or atleast matching it

I love the idea of a 3 Variant KoS . That model has such amazing potential....I would love a KoS kit similar to the Thirster for sure. Give us a named Character and 2 generic builds.

That would make sense, to me anyway. If they use the factions number to determine how many tithes they get. Since Slaanesh only gets 6, compared to Khornes 8, may as well make a few of the tithes into multiple bonuses per. I'd also like to see Luscius included in this book (updated and hopefully buffed into the duel-master he should be). It still irks me how they left both Skarbrand and Kharn out of KDK.

I would love them doing a deamonkin Slaanesh but I don't think that it is its ever going to happen in the near future due to them not wanting to take the risk on the US, Asian and Middle eastern market.


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Hell they might not even dare to publish the book in the UK any more. Their anti deviant sex lawmight just make the book illegal. Notice that they now have a legal ban on "Aggressive whipping" porn . ; )

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/a-long-list-of-sex-acts-just-got-banned-in-uk-porn-9897174.html

 oldzoggy wrote:
I would love them doing a deamonkin Slaanesh but I don't think that it is its ever going to happen in the near future due to them not wanting to take the risk on the US, Asian and Middle eastern market.


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Hell they might not even dare to publish the book in the UK any more. That anti deviant sex law that might just make the book illegal. Notice that they now have a legal ban on "Aggressive whipping" porn . ; )

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/a-long-list-of-sex-acts-just-got-banned-in-uk-porn-9897174.html

So if I were to say, go to warhammer world with my Noise Marines and tabled someone, would I get arrested for aggressive whipping?

Dantes_Baals wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:
I would love them doing a deamonkin Slaanesh but I don't think that it is its ever going to happen in the near future due to them not wanting to take the risk on the US, Asian and Middle eastern market.


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Hell they might not even dare to publish the book in the UK any more. That anti deviant sex law that might just make the book illegal. Notice that they now have a legal ban on "Aggressive whipping" porn . ; )

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/a-long-list-of-sex-acts-just-got-banned-in-uk-porn-9897174.html

So if I were to say, go to warhammer world with my Noise Marines and tabled someone, would I get arrested for aggressive whipping?

Only if you did it naked, filmed it and sold it to a niche market.

But reading down that list, while it has some things that are really just moral policing and some things that are actually sane, the one item I really don't get is "female ejaculation." Why the hell is that banned?

legislation based on" If I can't have it nobody can have it" comes to mind.

How else do you think I roll when I run my Slaneesh marines?

When was this law passed? I mean the whole thing seems unbelievably intrusive, but some "categories " on that list aren't exactly voluntarily actions if you get me.

ANYWAY, back on topic, as much as I hate to admit it I don't think Slaneesh will get am exclusive expansion anytime soon. If for no other reason than.i seriously doubt that there is enough demand to warrant that kind of release. Slaneesh serms to be the least popular of the gods by a pretty decent margin. Then again, if they got the exposure of a Demonkin release the demand might be created. A long shot and as much as I want it to happen, I really doubt it will. At least anytime in the near future sadly.

Would you really expect GW to promote and hype their Slaneesh expansion on their social media etc. for even a week ? I wonder if it is even possible to post their old art without it being reported and removed from facebook due to containing breasts.

I would not be surprised if they got squatted by Eldrad in the upcoming campaign.

I would like to see a TzeentchKin army.
<looks both ways>
Something that makes them better at summoning would be great
<ducks and runs for cover>

Dantes_Baals wrote:

When was this law passed? I mean the whole thing seems unbelievably intrusive, but some "categories " on that list aren't exactly voluntarily actions if you get me.

ANYWAY, back on topic, as much as I hate to admit it I don't think Slaneesh will get am exclusive expansion anytime soon. If for no other reason than.i seriously doubt that there is enough demand to warrant that kind of release. Slaneesh serms to be the least popular of the gods by a pretty decent margin. Then again, if they got the exposure of a Demonkin release the demand might be created. A long shot and as much as I want it to happen, I really doubt it will. At least anytime in the near future sadly.

I agree. It does somewhat bewilder me what is and isn't considered acceptable sometimes.

Sadly I fear that to be correct. The world seems to be running a dual race at the moment - Both 'normalizing' a lot of things that were once left behind closed doors or to the later years of life ( AKA just listen to 10-14 year olds now talk ) , but at the same time the powers that be seem to be trying to censor and contain more of it . Perhaps one in response to the other ? I dont know anymore. BUT ! That said, I would definitely think that with amazing sculpts ( and of course new power rules for the power gamers ) demand could certainly be created.

Ill admit at my local store there arent too many Slaanesh players but the few that there are , are either deterred by the general state of CSM Rules, or older sculpts ( I.E Fiends ) . I think if a new KoS landed that was Thirster-esk in style and detail quite a few more players would pickup the God of Fun and good times

oldzoggy wrote:I would love them doing a deamonkin Slaanesh but I don't think that it is its ever going to happen in the near future due to them not wanting to take the risk on the US, Asian and Middle eastern market.


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Hell they might not even dare to publish the book in the UK any more. Their anti deviant sex lawmight just make the book illegal. Notice that they now have a legal ban on "Aggressive whipping" porn . ; )

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/a-long-list-of-sex-acts-just-got-banned-in-uk-porn-9897174.html

That is insane. Honestly the entire point of porn seems to be on its way out ... like really it's gonna get to the point where you log on to watch two people have moderately suggestive conversations over a cup of water..

adamsouza wrote:I would like to see a TzeentchKin army.
<looks both ways>
Something that makes them better at summoning would be great
<ducks and runs for cover>

I can see Psychic Terminators and slightly irritating cultists throwing lit mental matches in your future codex release. You're safe

I want to see Start Collecting: Daemons of Malice.

Kappa.


But being serious; I'd rather Tzeentch over Slaanesh. Despite the advent of Silver Tower, I think there's still some catching up to do for Tzeentch's feathered friends.
That, and it's the only way I'm going to bother getting into them.
I want to, but I've got Skrye Skaven on my mind too, and I've already got stuff for that.

I think Tzeentch and Slaanesh are pretty Neck and neck in terms of being left behind. Khorne most loved, followed by Nurgle, and the next position pretty tied up.

I look at the range available for both Slaanesh and Tzeentch ( Noise and Thousand, KoS and LoC ,etc ) and it is pretty much the same in terms of aged sculpts and outdated rules.

It really is such a shame because as the Thirster has shown ( and even the GUO from Forgeworld) the greater daemons have such amazing potential both in terms of beautiful sculpts as well as fun and exciting armies to play

Personally while I'd love to see a new KoS , i'd settle for either the lord of mental pebble slinging or the lord of dark alley ways

Na Tzeeentch got way more love just look at the Silver tower

I want a tzeentch book. I also want that book to include Ahriman and the thousand sons.

Slaanesh Daemonkin for certain with a team that understands that Slaanesh is about so much more than sex, drugs and rock n roll

King Pariah wrote:Slaanesh Daemonkin for certain with a team that understands that Slaanesh is about so much more than sex, drugs and rock n roll

Ill agree I never liked the idea of coke snorting Techno music blasting dignitaries ( though that does describe our entire generation of youth ) . When i think of Slaanesh I picture more like Hellraiser ,if you've seen the movie(s) , where it's all about experience. Pleasure and Pain, Heaven and Hell pushed to a limit where the difference between the two is almost entirely gone. Creepy awesome.

What would you like to see the new book represent Slaanesh like ?

Traditio wrote:I want a tzeentch book. I also want that book to include Ahriman and the thousand sons.

Thousand Sons desperately need a resculpts. Ahriman could use one as well.

oldzoggy wrote:Na Tzeeentch got way more love just look at the Silver tower

Yeah the Silver Tower did hammer Tzeentch but I dont really count it as it's not exactly something you can throw into your Warhammer games, its more like a standalone game based in the same universe. Not an actual playable faction/army for your 40k games.

I honestly doubt there will be any other Daemonkin books at all. I spoke to a GW Store manager and he said that which the other three gods are okay with psykers, Khorne is not, which left Khorne armies unable to include Daemons (without allying.) makes sense enough to to me.

diepotato47 wrote:
I honestly doubt there will be any other Daemonkin books at all. I spoke to a GW Store manager and he said that which the other three gods are okay with psykers, Khorne is not, which left Khorne armies unable to include Daemons (without allying.) makes sense enough to to me.

Im hoping they do get more Daemonkin books though because the others aren't really all that good with summoning when you think about it, and the CSM book itself is pretty lacking in terms of competitiveness. Khorne armies could include the same amount of Daemons as everyone else, only difference is Mortal Sorcerers can summon ( with high risk to perils ) using daemonology, and the Daemon Princes / heralds can only summon 1 or so units a turn if all goes well. Doesn't really make for a huge difference at the end of the day.

If there is a Slaanesh deamonkin, I would prefer them to not copy the Blood Tithe thing.
Find something else !
Maybe, a rule like this one: Slaanesh's lure : your opponent's units' LD is reduced by 1 for every unit after the first within 6".

Or this one: The Great Pride: "having spend their life to be better than everyone else, obsessed with feats, when the best Slaanesh's warriors are together, nothing can beat them"
every unit have preferred enemy (everything).

Something to Slaanesh, but different from the Blood Tithe.

 adamsouza wrote:
I would like to see a TzeentchKin army.
<looks both ways>
Something that makes them better at summoning would be great
<ducks and runs for cover>

Tithe point 1: Make army immune to perils for a turn.

 godardc wrote:
If there is a Slaanesh deamonkin, I would prefer them to not copy the Blood Tithe thing.
Find something else !
Maybe, a rule like this one: Slaanesh's lure : your opponent's units' LD is reduced by 1 for every unit after the first within 6".

Or this one: The Great Pride: "having spend their life to be better than everyone else, obsessed with feats, when the best Slaanesh's warriors are together, nothing can beat them"
every unit have preferred enemy (everything).

Something to Slaanesh, but different from the Blood Tithe.

I think the tithe point system could work for them all, but I'd like to see different means of gaining them. It makes sense for Khorne to get them by spilling blood. Not as much for Tzeentch, for example. Maybe they'd get them by successfully casting powers. No idea what the other two could get though.

I'd like to see a Nurgle Daemonkin. I think they get the least love (outside Nurgle DP's) and could have some really fun contagion rules.

 KharnsRightHand wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
I would like to see a TzeentchKin army.
<looks both ways>
Something that makes them better at summoning would be great
<ducks and runs for cover>

Tithe point 1: Make army immune to perils for a turn.

 godardc wrote:
If there is a Slaanesh deamonkin, I would prefer them to not copy the Blood Tithe thing.
Find something else !
Maybe, a rule like this one: Slaanesh's lure : your opponent's units' LD is reduced by 1 for every unit after the first within 6".

Or this one: The Great Pride: "having spend their life to be better than everyone else, obsessed with feats, when the best Slaanesh's warriors are together, nothing can beat them"
every unit have preferred enemy (everything).

Something to Slaanesh, but different from the Blood Tithe.

I think the tithe point system could work for them all, but I'd like to see different means of gaining them. It makes sense for Khorne to get them by spilling blood. Not as much for Tzeentch, for example. Maybe they'd get them by successfully casting powers. No idea what the other two could get though.

I know this is redundant, but I think SDK should get their tithes from either an enemy failing morale or killing an enemy character (ICs, Sergent so etc).

Slaanesh Ravekin.

 oldzoggy wrote:
Na Tzeeentch got way more love just look at the Silver tower

Which is why I suspect Tzeentch would be next. They could repack those Silver Tower figures and give them 40K stats, creating new 40k units without investing in new models.