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The following list is just for a casual gaming group. Still, no one babies each other it's just a matter of, "don't be 'that guy'."

That being said, is this too mean? If not, any suggestions for improvement or optimization?

Thanks! Exaltation for all who reply

+++ Tau (1498pts) +++

Farsight Enclaves CAD

+ HQ (128pts) +

Commander (128pts)
····XV8 Commander Crisis Suit [Drone Controller , 2x Missile Pod, Target Lock]

+ Troops +

XV8 Crisis Battlesuits (293pts) [Bonding Knife Ritual0
Rules: Bonding Knife Ritual, Supporting Fire, Very Bulky
····Crisis Shas'ui [2x Plasma Rifle]

····Crisis Shas'ui [2x Plasma Rifle)]

····Crisis Shas'ui ) [2x Plasma Rifle)]

····Crisis Shas'ui ) [2x Plasma Rifle)]

····Crisis Shas'ui
········Crisis Battlesuit [Blacksun Filter, Multi-Tracker. Multispectrum Sensor Suite]
····Crisis Shas'ui
········Crisis Battlesuit [Blacksun Filter, Multi-Tracker. command and control node]

XV8 Crisis Battlesuits (28pts) [Bonding Knife Ritual, 1x Flamer)

+ Fast Attack +

2x Tetra Scout Speeder Team [FW] (70pts)

XV109 Y'vahra Battlesuit [FW] (295pts) [Flechette Dispersal Pods, Ionic Discharge Cannon, Phased Plasma-Flamer, Ravelin Shield Generator, Stimulant Injector, Earth Caste Pilot Array ), Vectored Thrust Array)

+ Heavy Support +

TX7 Hammerhead Gunships (125pts)
····TX7 Hammerhead Gunship [Railgun, Twin-linked Smart Missile System]

++ Tau Empire Formation Detachment ++

+ Formation +

Optimized Stealth Cadre
····XV25 Stealth Battlesuits 95pts)
········Stealth Shas'ui with Burst Cannon [Burst Cannon]
········Stealth Shas'ui with Burst Cannon ) [Burst Cannon]
········Stealth Shas'ui with Fusion Blaster ) [Fusion Blaster]


····XV25 Stealth Battlesuits (95pts)
········Stealth Shas'ui with Burst Cannon [Burst Cannon]
········Stealh Shas'ui with Burst Cannon [Burst Cannon]
········Stealth Shas'ui with Fusion Blaster [Fusion Blaster ]
····XV95 Ghostkeel Battlesuits (145pts)
········Ghostkeel Shas'vre ) [Cyclic Ion Raker,, 2x MV5 Stealth Drone, Target Lock, Twin-linked Fusion Blaster ]


Piranha Firestream Wing
····TX4 Piranha (56pts) [2x MV1 Gun Drone, Burst Cannon, 2x Seeker Missile ]
····TX4 Piranhas (56pts)
········TX4 Piranha (56pts) [2x MV1 Gun Drone, Burst Cannon, 2x Seeker Missile ]
····TX4 Piranhas (56pts)
········TX4 Piranha (56pts) [2x MV1 Gun Drone, Burst Cannon, 2x Seeker Missile
····TX4 Piranhas (56pts)
········TX4 Piranha (56pts) [2x MV1 Gun Drone, Burst Cannon, 2x Seeker Missile

When you Copy/Paste from army builder, it includes the IP of GW and gets dakka in trouble. You'll want to edit out the individual points' costs.

 The Shrike wrote:

XV8 Crisis Battlesuits (159pts) [Bonding Knife Ritual (3pts)]
Rules: Bonding Knife Ritual, Supporting Fire, Very Bulky
····Crisis Shas'ui (52pts) [2x Plasma Rifle (30pts)]
········Crisis Battlesuit [Blacksun Filter, Multi-Tracker]
····Crisis Shas'ui (52pts) [2x Plasma Rifle (30pts)]
········Crisis Battlesuit [Blacksun Filter, Multi-Tracker]
····Crisis Shas'ui (52pts) [2x Plasma Rifle (30pts)]
········Crisis Battlesuit [Blacksun Filter, Multi-Tracker]

If your group is okay with the GW FAQs, specifically the one that states that both the FE and regular codex builds can share signature toys ... then having a Vre with MSS and C&CN really punches up the performance of the plasma team.

 The Shrike wrote:
····Crisis Shas'ui [Twin-linked Missile Pod
····Crisis Shas'ui 2x Flamer

a. Two shots of S7 MissilePod is near worthless in the game (can't kill a rhino). If you're interested in having a tank buster, maybe even the single suit suicide guy who Deep Strikes in, then a dual FB (make sure he gets Marker help) is a better bet. I don't like this tactic though.
b. Dual flamers? flamer XV8s get too easily assaulted.

I would re-arm these flame throwers and the TL-MP suit too, into the plasma group, maybe two as dual FBs, Target Lock (not only to bust a drop pod or tank, but also to manipulate Wound Allocation Mechanic/Shenanigans, to put the S8 wounds on enemy HQs and characters to Instant Death them).

5 to 6 suits with MSS and C&CN, mostly plasma rifles and a couple FBs, can rub out most 10 model MEqs and worse.

WraithKnights:
Like Dennis the Menace, he's going to show up. Without a StormSurge's D weps, you only have a few FusionBs that will hurt it on 4+, and most of your other guns need , and the PRs need 5s. Shove a PENchip in with them, to help with the inevitable WK.

You already have the Drone Baby-Sitter HQ, so a second HQ suit would be good to include in that group, dual guns (PR/FB for an IC's flexibility), the PENchip, Irid Armor to tank AP3+ wounds, etc.

Okay, adjusted a bit. Thoughts?

If it wasn't obvious, the commander babysits the 10 free gun drones from the piranhas.

 The Shrike wrote:


XV8 Crisis Battlesuits (293pts) [Bonding Knife Ritual0
Rules: Bonding Knife Ritual, Supporting Fire, Very Bulky
····Crisis Shas'ui [2x Plasma Rifle]
····Crisis Shas'ui [2x Plasma Rifle)]
····Crisis Shas'ui ) [2x Plasma Rifle)]
····Crisis Shas'ui ) [2x Plasma Rifle)]

····Crisis Shas'ui
········Crisis Battlesuit [Blacksun Filter, Multi-Tracker. Multispectrum Sensor Suite]
····Crisis Shas'ui
········Crisis Battlesuit [Blacksun Filter, Multi-Tracker. command and control node]

XV8 Crisis Battlesuits (28pts) [Bonding Knife Ritual, 1x Flamer)

This last set of suits listings in orange, is that two different suits, one MSS, one C&CN and a third with a flamer, or all one dude? In order to get the toys, one needs to be promoted to 'Vre, thus:

'Vre - MSS, C&CN, flamer (Wall of Death!)
4x dual plasma rifle suits


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 The Shrike wrote:
Okay, adjusted a bit. Thoughts?

I know the Drone Baby Sitter HQ is a joy, and ten GDs producing at BS5, S5 is gonna be nasty. Still, the Ignores Cover plasmaR group is going to get targeted pretty hard. An HQ with Irid and Stims (Shield Gen, too?) to tank most wounds, *and* VRT greatly extends their life span.

The tetras aren't enough ... got points for Pathfinders (yeah, they're not great ... ).

Right, for about the Vre thing to get sig systems.

1) can I have two Vres or do they need to be a bodyguard squad for that?

2) I thought we're only allowed to have one sig system per model now?

 The Shrike wrote:
Right, for about the Vre thing to get sig systems.

1) can I have two Vres or do they need to be a bodyguard squad for that?

2) I thought we're only allowed to have one sig system per model now?

1. Yes and no. You can only have one 'Vre in a regular unit of Crisis Suits, like a sergeant, exarch, aspiring champion, hekatrix, etc. upgrade. Only one per unit.
1.5 You can get 1 to 3 'Vres as a Bodyguard unit, attached to a Cmdr, and the have access to toys, but no one does this as you're paying extra points for a guaranteed LoS, instead going with the odds on 84% chance of LoSir!.
2. bullet point #4 in the Crisis Suit listing

Okay, another tweak:

Commander: 2x MP, Target Lock, Drone Controller- 128

(3) Crisis: 6x Plasma
Monat: 2x Flamer
Monat: 2x Flamer
Monat: 2x MP
Monat: 2x MP
Monat: 2x MP

Y'Vahra: Stim Injector, EWO- 270

(2) Tetras
(2) Tetras

Optimized Stealth Cadre- 350
Ghostkeel: Cyclic Ion Raker, TL Fusion, Target Lock, EWO
(3) Stealth Suits: 2x Burst Cannon, 1x Fusion Blaster+Target Lock
(3) Stealth Suits: 2x Burst Cannon, 1x Fusion Blaster+Target Lock

Piranha Firestream Wing- 224
(4) Piranhas: Burst Cannons, 8x Seeker Missiles

Total: 1496

I toyed around with the Crisis Bomb style list, but found that if you do that, even if it is cheaper than it used to be, (and Objective Secured!), it still takes over the list. I've been there, done that, so prefer a more MSU approach.