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Hi guys, I was wondering what everyone's thoughts were on the top ten strongest units FOR THEIR POINTS COST. Can be anything from GW released before now from conscripts to super heavies, but I'll not include forge world in the poll as I am less aware of their units... Please pick your top FIVE on the poll.

Just to clarify, this is based on the strength of the units outside of bonuses granted by formations.

If you have any more suggestions I'll add them to the poll

No imperial knights?

It's a tossup between Scatterbikes and Wraithknights IMO. Those two define the meta.

No Dreadknight?

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
It's a tossup between Scatterbikes and Wraithknights IMO. Those two define the meta.

Nialed it.

SGTPozy wrote:
No Dreadknight?

If you want an powerful Dreadknight, you might up its points to 225, while he is still only T6, 2+, 5++ and 4W only with S10 I4 (compare to S D, I5 of the WK who are also T8 3+, 5++ and 5+FnP at only 70pts more). AND now after the FAQ he is even striped off getting both 4++ and Force at the same time.

Yes, if he is facing weaker units or favored opponent like classical MCs (Carnifex, Tervigon, Trygon / Mawloc, maybe even GUO), multi wound models at or below T5 (note, it can include the Ironhand CM smash who are famed for that 2+ FnP), he is very scary. But he is far from the top tier unit. A Nurgle Daemon Prince holding a Balesword in Inferno Tetra (T6, so DP is safe unless DK's force go off, which will leave DK now only have 5++ and being more vulnerable at I8 step where the DP strike with ID weapon; and S7 so the poison rule grants re-roll to wound) can put down this so called "Daemon Hunter" MC without difficulty. So it might be a top-second-tier unit, but not the strongest unit for its point in game.

Yeah, I strongly suspected those two would top the list! I'm more interested in the order of the lower-scoring units on the poll to be honest.

I've added both Imperial knights and dreadknights to the list. I'm sure no one would agree they are the strongest units in the game, but they're both decently above average. I also added space marine librarians (which I believe took a big power jump after the Angels of Death supplement that gave us all those extra psychic powers no-one really wanted)

I must say I'm surprised there are no votes for the wyvern yet. I know guard are pretty low key, but they are extremely undercosted little tanks!

Who ever votes that the IK is too powerful is a weak player who has no melta.

 CadianGateTroll wrote:
Who ever votes that the IK is too powerful is a weak player who has no melta.

Someones salty.

We have the Wraithknight at 22 votes (at the moment of me typing this)

but only 2 votes for Warp Spiders and just for for the riptides?

I must have a wildly different opinion to most people then...

Warp spiders have 5 currently and riptide has 10. I guess the wraithknight is just so crazily destructive and survivable for its points that it makes a big impression on people...

 Torus wrote:
We have the Wraithknight at 22 votes (at the moment of me typing this)

but only 2 votes for Warp Spiders and just for for the riptides?

I must have a wildly different opinion to most people then...

Warp Spiders really get weaker depending on terrain. Plus they got nerfed.

Wraithknight is the gold standard of stupidly priced units. Jetbikes are right there. If we include formations (riptide wing) then they become just unbearably good. Those are the three I despise the most. But, Tigurius presence in a deathstar is super annoying, and finally I picked warp spiders. A question for the OP though, are you going with GW units only or are you including FW? Because the Lynx and Hornets are both very up there honestly. Id also include the Farseer in the poll, he is godly for his points.

Are HYMP Broadsides that incredible? I haven't really seen complaints against them so it stood out to me.

Also, I would have IK and Renegade knights separate. IMO they're different enough that someone might think Renegades are OP while regular IK are not.

I haven't voted yet because it seems like the poll is still being altered, but my beloved WK and jetbikes are definitely on my list of things I'm going to vote for.

BossJakadakk wrote:
Are HYMP Broadsides that incredible? I haven't really seen complaints against them so it stood out to me.

Also, I would have IK and Renegade knights separate. IMO they're different enough that someone might think Renegades are OP while regular IK are not.

I haven't voted yet because it seems like the poll is still being altered, but my beloved WK and jetbikes are definitely on my list of things I'm going to vote for.

Broadsides are a "good" unit but no longer are what Id call Op at all. In 6th they were dominant but now I just can't call them that. But, people have long memories for cheese. It's why people bring up the dreadknight, and some of the other units in the list.

While I agree that "Scatter laser Jetbikes" should be on the list, "Eldar Jetbikes" covers a wide variety of units and setups of those units, most of which (Shining Spears, Dark Eldar Reavers) are barely considered 'good', much less the "strongest units" Almost no one complains about Shuricat or even Shuricannon Windriders (which is why I use them as such).

I would edit the Poll accordingly.

Dreadknights are still better than nearly every other MC and every vehicle. It's top 10, perhaps, but not top 5.

Also, anyone who voted centurion with grav is too used to marine combos. By themselves, even BA can punk them out.

I vote for fate-weaver. A reroll of your choice every game turn AND A lvl 4 flying psyker to boot with easy access to a great invo save.

Second I'd say storm surge. It's firepower and durability combined make it almost automatically get it's points back - usually it doubles or triples it's value in models removed.

Third - probably a Wraith-knight with the apocalyptic flamer.

4th - thunder wolves.

It's impossible for me not to vote for a 200 pt model that has the durability of a Warhound Titan. Riptide.

Wraithknight by a country mile. Scatbikes are powerful because they're cost-efficient, but will buckle to anything with reasonable amount of firepower.

A Wraithknight not only require unreasonable amounts of firepower to bring down but also can take on almost anything in the game and come out on top.

Once again Admech is left off

 thekerrick wrote:
Once again Admech is left off

Do they really have any under costed units?
I thought they were pretty well priced

StevetheDestroyeOfWorlds wrote:

 thekerrick wrote:
Once again Admech is left off

Do they really have any under costed units?
I thought they were pretty well priced

Those troops who does out 6 grav shots are pretty OP

StevetheDestroyeOfWorlds wrote:

 thekerrick wrote:
Once again Admech is left off

Do they really have any under costed units?
I thought they were pretty well priced

Yes, Skitarii and Cult Mech are quite well priced. It is only the War Convolcation make them sounds under costed. Though no doubt that it is far from WK level undercosted. And this formation benefit need some good tactical skills, and the FAQ hurt them really hard by making them basically can only march upfield on foot.
So, yeah, Admech units should not count into the strongest units.

I know I'll be the only one voting for my beloved Necron wraiths but those guys are just silly. Between the invuln, multi wound, toughness, speed, number of attacks with rending AND fearlress AND fleet! What's not to love? Ok they're initiative is their achiles heel but I can live with that. I love to run them with a DL with a warscythe for the preferred enemy goodness

 CadianGateTroll wrote:
Who ever votes that the IK is too powerful is a weak player who has no melta.

Or play 'nids. IK are a pain to deal with and there is no melta in the codex.

What are Marine Librarian and Tigurius doing on the list? They're horrendously underpowered compared to a librarius conclave led by Tigurius. Especially combined into a unit WITH grav centurions.

 necron99 wrote:
I know I'll be the only one voting for my beloved Necron wraiths but those guys are just silly. Between the invuln, multi wound, toughness, speed, number of attacks with rending AND fearlress AND fleet! What's not to love? Ok they're initiative is their achiles heel but I can live with that. I love to run them with a DL with a warscythe for the preferred enemy goodness

I voted for them too. I think it's because out of all the units listed they're the ones I'd never want to face. Underestimating Necrons will end badly every time.

Hi guys, thanks for all the responses!

@Jifel I'm just using GW units. I know forgeworld would have some good contenders between their taunar, quad mortars and hornets etc. but I'm nowhere near as familiar with them so couldn't come close to giving a complete list...

@Galef - I'll edit the poll to state scatter laser windrider jetbikes. Sorry, I'd forgotten they'd been rechristened 'windriders' in the newer books

@TheKerrick - I did look through the skitarii units. While strong as a whole (particularly in war convocation) the individual units seem pretty well balanced to me. Probably the grav kataphrons or the kastelans are furthest up the power curve but one is weak to shooting and the other is quite slow...

@BossJakaDakk - Yeah what Jifel said really. I just remember them when they were considered when them and the riptide were considered the best units in the game (when the firebase support cadre came out as the first GW formation). Seems they still have a few votes though!

@Real news - I mainly included them as they're seen so often in competitive lists these days. I saw the army lists for the ETC and every second list was an enormous psychic deathstar! Perhaps not undercosted in their own right outside of conclaves though.

I personally have found warp spiders to be just as bad as scatbikes, but YMMV. That said, 4 of my 5 were Eldar units, followed by Wulfen.