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Beast of Nurgle



u.k

Been reading up but im getting conflicting opinions. The max psi i can get from my compresssor is 15, well it can do 35 for a 20th of a second withing a 1 and a bit seconds it holds firm at 15. I Read of people using higgh pressures to blast out vallejo polyurethane primers, as they were saying they dont like how the primer behaves when thinned so extra pressure needed. I've also read people saying they do thin it some with vallejo airbrush thinners some with just water. Really not sure which to trust. Now to pre-empt gear related questions, I'm using an iwata eclipse hp-cs, powered by a sparmax arism. I dont know if the primer colour matters or not, but it's the grey.

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Yu Jing Martial Arts Ninja




North Wales

I've tried thinning it, nowhere nearly as much as for regular paint - probably as little as 10% of it being thinners.

The results were... disappointing. Yeah, disappointing is the best word. It tended to be thin and translucent on flat surfaces and pooled in recesses.

But, where's the harm in giving it a go on a test model?
   
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Three Color Minimum





I run it unthinned a 25-40psi. For varnish and primers I generally prefer a higher pressure and unthinned.

What I can tell you is if you run it thinnned you will need to use different settings and distances than unthinned.
   
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Beast of Nurgle



u.k

yeah il give it a go on something that doesnt really matter so if i do a gak job it doesnt matter i thought my quite low pressure could become a problem in some cases. the guy at the store said he never really needed to run over 10 psi but hes not exactly going to be impartial.

il put a drop of flow improver in there to help it along, i guess this slightly thins paints but far less than proper thinner.

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Hacking Interventor






Don't thin the Polyurethane Primer.. Just my experience with it..
I only shake it up really well.. and spray it on with my airbrush..

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Longtime Dakkanaut




Vallejo's website recommends not to thin it.
I shoot it unthinned, at 15-20 psi (I have a pretty bad compressor), and it works fine. I do have way more dry tips than with properly thinned paint, but nothing terrible.

Also, I used to put a coat just thick enough that I wouldn't see any grey plastic under the primer (I use the white PU primer), but now I spray a lot less. In color, I would say it's about half way between bare plastic and pure white. I've seen people recommend doing this, as it's supposedly sufficient to make the subsequent layers of paint adhere well to the mini, while reducing the loss of detail. I personally haven't seen much difference in drying time or durability (but I do let my mini dries for a few days after priming, and obviously I don't go out of my way to scratch the primer). Anyway, it might be worth looking into.
   
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Gargantuan Gargant





Binghamton, NY

I usually thin it slightly, using a touch of Golden airbrush medium and a drop or two of water. Doesn't seem to affect the bond or surface finish, overmuch, and allows for spraying at a lower pressure with far less tip-dry. YMMV, as always.

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Grizzled Space Wolves Great Wolf





Just an FYI on comparing pressure to other people on the interwebs, it's not always reliable, it depends on...

1. How accurate your regulator is (cheap hobby regulators are often off in their reading.

2. How much obstruction there is between the compressor (where pressure is measured) and the nozzle (where it actually matters). Longer hoses, extra filters, extra regulators, the design of the valve and how efficiently the AB gets air from the inlet hose to the air cap - all can be obstructions that require a higher setting at the compressor to get the same effective pressure where the air hits the paint.

So when someone says "I spray at X pressure", dont be surprised if that doesn't work for you.

Regarding vallejo primer, the stuff used to clog on me frequently so I thinned it a bit to stop the clogs, but in the end I didn't like Vallejo PU primer so swapped to a lacquer primer which I can thin to whatever degree I want and it still comes out good.
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut





Central Oregon

You're not supposed to thin their primer.

   
 
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