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Hey folks,
I am thinking about getting the Generals Handbook and start rebasing my ogre kingdoms army. Are all the units given point values in the GH?

Thanks

Yep. They are split into a few factions now (all under the Destruction Grand Alliance - so can be fielded together), but they all have points.

Bottle, so when I choose my army, can I include any other destruction units listed on the GW website- how does it work?
For instance, I really like the arachnarok spider and mangler squigs, can I just include them with my ogres? How does that system work, I assume if you use mixed armies you lose benefits?


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Also is there any word on new Ogre releases? I would think they would update Yhettis and possibly maneaters at some point right?

sturguard wrote:
Bottle, so when I choose my army, can I include any other destruction units listed on the GW website- how does it work?
For instance, I really like the arachnarok spider and mangler squigs, can I just include them with my ogres? How does that system work, I assume if you use mixed armies you lose benefits?

Yes, No, you don't get the baseline allegiance for a 'pure' army but those only come with the newer tomes.

With Age of Sigmar there are a few different gamemodes. Open, Narrative and Matched.

In Open and Narrative play there isn't any built in limit on what you can take - you don't even have to use points. You could mix and match any units from across the game in any way you wanted. However there are extra benefits for sticking within a grand alliance (like Destruction) or a specific subfaction (Like Beastclaw Raiders) called "Allegiance Abilities". Allegiance Abilities grant you a Battle Trait (army wide special rule) a Command Trait (a special rule for your general) and an Artefact (a magic weapon to give to a hero). Some Allegiance Abilities also have extra spells (Sylvaneth and Bonespiltterz).

In Matched Play and the Pitched Battles you are limited to one Grand Alliance (like Destruction) and also have some limits on your army structure based on how many points you use. (At the standard 2000 points you'll need 3 Battleline units, and can't have more than 6 Leaders (heroes), 4 Behemoths (large monsters/constructs) or 4 artillery (certain warmachines).

The benefit of choosing a single faction is it will unlock certain units as Battleline. If it is a newer battletome it'll also grant you specific Allegiance Abilities to use instead of the basic Destruction ones.

As an Ogor player your only decision really is if you want to go strictly Beastclaw Raiders, or a mixed Ogor/destruction army.

Hope that explains everything clearly

Bottle it does. So I couldnt do Beastclaw raiders with some goblin spiders in there too? I guess that is what I was referring to. And is all of this explained in the GH or would I need the other AoS book (the expensive one)?

Another thing I have been debating is- do I have too many models. I am not a guy that likes to have 10,000 pts of stuff. At 47 I try to keep just what I will use. So I have a large unit of bulls, 12 or so, 12 or so Ironguts, 6 leadbelchers, another unit of 6 maneaters- in addition to my Stonehorn/Ironblaster and Mournfang cav (then add in your leaders etc). Currently I dont even have an opponent so I would rather concentrate on having a 2000 pt list if that is the general point level people play.

If you did a mix of Beastclaw Raiders and Spiderfang Grots you wouldn't be able to take either specific faction allegiance and instead would have to take the Destruction allegiance. The problem you then run into is your Battleline units. Some units are Battleline by default and some can become Battleline if you take a faction specific allegiance.

Inside the Beastclaw Raiders and Spiderfang Grots there are a few units which become Battleline under the faction allegiance, but there aren't any automatically Battleline units. That means if you're building a destruction army of Beastclaw Raiders and Spiderfang Grots you'll need to also add in some Battleline units from elsewhere. So you could build the army, but you'd need to also add in 3 units of Ogors for example to be your Battleline units.

All of this is explained in the GHB, so that's the only book you'll need to get started for the moment. After that some of the newer battletomes have the faction specific rules, but if you're going to be running a mixed Destruction army from the get go, you won't need any of the Battletomes as the abilities you can use are already in the GHB including all the rules for Pitched Battles and all the points values for every unit in the game :-)

Note you will need the appropriate Battletome or Grand Alliance book if you wish to field a Battalion.

I saw there are 2 battletomes for the ogres listed free, is that all there are in the game right now?


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Also, what size base should an ogre go on now? 40mm round?

The way I understand it is:

When Fantasy became Age of Sigmar, GW came out with some new units/boxes/round bases i.e. Stormcast Eternal. But also some races were updated i.e. Lizardmen --> Seraphon.

This new faction has a battletome that you don't really need, just fun to have. The warscrolls are free via phone app. The battletome has lore, fluff, pictures, warscrolls for reference, and also the battalion info. (Battalion is basically a formation from 40K, except it costs a few points to acquire the bonus power.)

When AoS came out, GW couldn't update every single race with a new set of boxed models that includes round bases. Those units also didn't receive a fancy battletome. Units that still come in old style fantasy boxes with square bases are good examples i.e. Ironguts/Freeguild Handgunners. Traditional Ogre Kingdom and Empire/Brettonia haven't been updated yet.

HOWEVER, GW did release legacy 'warscrolls' for units that aren't updated yet. Warscrolls are free via the app remember? So old and new Ogre players can all play AoS with Ogres.

Where it seemingly gets complicated-but it's not, is when you look at the allegiance. Initially GW just had the 4 allegiances:
Order, Chaos, Death, Destruction. Your whole army gained some bonuses *IF* your whole army was within one faction i.e. Ogres NOT allying with Seraphon or Deathlords. However, Ogres could ally with Orcs/Ironjaws/Bonesplitters because those are all destruction units.

GW released the General's Handbook (~$25, includes official point cost for all units) the GH also determined official rules for tournament play (Pitched Battles) and pick up games at a determined point level (Match Play).

After the GH came out, each new faction release had a slightly improved Battletome. Sylvaneth/Bone Splitters/Beastclaw Raiders. These 3 recent factions have new battletomes that have all the normal stuff (fluff/pics/lore/warscrolls/battalions) BUT it also includes new allegiance bonuses. i.e. If your entire army is specifically Beastclaw Raiders with all units with the keyword "BEASTCLAW RAIDERS" (Go check the warscrolls, at the bottom).

Regardless of how old or new the faction is though, a bonus you get if the whole faction is pure, i.e. 100% "BEASTCLAW RAIDERS" or "SERAPHON" you gain the benefit of being able to use stronger units as 'battle line' units.


Battleline units are required in Matched/Pitched Pointed/tournament style play. Battleline units are basically troops from 40K, so yeah they're a tax and usually not that strong. Being able to bring stronger battleline units is very apparent depending on what you want i.e. (Skaven clan Skyere can bring Stormfiend as battline troops, as opposed to bringing Clanrats/plague rats if they're multiple clans/factions.)

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

sturguard wrote:
Bottle, so when I choose my army, can I include any other destruction units listed on the GW website- how does it work?
For instance, I really like the arachnarok spider and mangler squigs, can I just include them with my ogres? How does that system work, I assume if you use mixed armies you lose benefits?

Yes, No, you don't get the baseline allegiance for a 'pure' army but those only come with the newer tomes.

From what I understand if you play faction specific like ironjaws you can take the ironjaws options OR the destruction options per the FAQ. If you mix any factions under destruction you can only take the destruction benefits.


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sturguard wrote:
I saw there are 2 battletomes for the ogres listed free, is that all there are in the game right now?


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Also, what size base should an ogre go on now? 40mm round?

the ogre stronghold(fantasy fansite) has been renamed the stronghold and has a list of base sizes for all ogre models now. Google them im work blocked from doing so or id post the link