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So I was figuring out some add-ons to my dark angels and came out with this. Kinda deathstar-like what I was building.

Combined Arms Dark Angels
[HQ] Sammael (Sableclaw) 200
[TROOP] Tactical Squad (5, missilelauncher/flakk) 95 + Drop Pod 35
[TROOP] Tactical Squad (5, missilelauncher/flakk) 95 + Drop Pod 35
[FAST ATTACK] Ravenwing Knights (9, meltabomb) 365
[FAST ATTACK] Nephilim Jetfighter (twin-lascannon) 175
[FAST ATTACK] Nephilim Jetfighter (twin-lascannon) 175

FORMATION LIBRARIUS CONCLAVE
Librarian (level 2, bike) 110
Librarian (level 2, bike) 110
Librarian (level 2, jumppack, meltabomb) 110

FORMATION RAVENWING SUPPORT SQUADRON
Land Speeder Vengeance 120
Land Speeder Squadron
- Land Speeder (typhoon, heavybolter) 75
- Land Speeder (typhoon, heavybolter) 75
- Land Speeder (assaultcannon, heavybolter) 70

Land Speeder Vengeance is garbage. Darkshroud is the business.

Tactical Squads require transports to achieve their potential. Otherwise Scouts are better.

It's not a deathstar without psychic powers.

A six model Ravenwing Command Squad with apothecary has almost as much durability as a nine model Black Knight Squad, and is a better place for your HQ.

Imo do this drop the whole list

Run a ravenwing strike force with a librarian on a bike, or Chaplin.

Get a RW command squad, dark shroud and another set of black Knights

From there make free wing, don't take sammael unless it's for fluff or you really really like him, he does have rule of cool but he is so expensive.


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Also in 1850 unless your store meta is rocking flyers, I would not take the silencer squadron.

It's a very expensive formation and the only really useful thing from it is the dark talon for the large baste of death.

If you really wanted to run it, take it with the above mentioned RW attack squad start in reserves and utilize outflank

Okay, I made some changes to the list and there's now librarians added to those ravenwing knights. I don't like the darkshroud model, but the vengeance is literally a BLAST. Speeders have their thing for shooting overwatch if someone assaults knights. Nephilims are for aerial defence. Sammael can rain down some fire behind it's Av14 and 4++ save (it actually managed to kill daemon prince from full wounds in a round of shooting). Tacticals have some more "mobility" now.

I would still take the dark shroud over the vengeance.

If you are unaware the dark shroud give your black Knights and command squad a 2 up rerollable jink and it itself has a 2+ rerollable.

Like I said, unless your meta is using flyers, I would not take the jet fighters as they are honestly a waste of points vs ground targets most of the time unless they have lasers


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Also don't take missile launchers on your tac squads they are worthless, take either grab cannons or plasma canons

Nephilims excel against flying monstrous creatures and other flyers, there's a reason for them. Librarians are going to get Divination and Telepathy for buffing up saves, Darkshroud is not needed. Vengeance can put out damage a lot, especially when combined with other speeders.

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Nephilims excel against flying monstrous creatures and other flyers, there's a reason for them. Librarians are going to get Divination and Telepathy for buffing up saves, Darkshroud is not needed. Vengeance can put out damage a lot, especially when combined with other speeders.

But is your store meta flyer? If it is i would keep them, if not, just take one. I would consider tossing the librarian with iteromancy, or at least play it a few times, its got some nasty moves.

Ultimately the choice of the speeder is down to you, but in the long run, the shroud is going to provide ALOT more benefit to you in the long run, and keep all your stuff alive a whole lot longer. Additionally it can give your guys fear as well, so everything will be easy as hell to hit.

Build what ever you want obviously, but i would at least play a few games with the dark shroud black knight combo. There is a reason its used by so many people.

Also get rid of flakk they are pure garbage, since you have 2 flyers, you dont need them. Grab grav or plasma