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The Terran's of the Word Bearers were killed off because they were still loyal, same with the Death Guard, the Nostromans contributed to the downfall of the Night Lords, the Iron Warriors all seem be Olympians, same trend with the Thousand Sons and Sons of Horus, of course I don't know about the Alpha Legion and the World Eaters were all mentally damaged so i'm not sure what to say about them.

Even among the loyalist pushing the Terrans to the side seems to have caused horrible problems namely making them to weird and different from each other and the Imperium in General with the exception of Imperial Fist who recruit from Terra and the Ultramarine who were loyal to the Emperors dream and not just the Emperor. It explains the Ultramarines are the most loyal, they and the Fist were the only ones that didn't infuse an alien ideal system into an Imperial Legion.

It makes me wonder what would have happened if the Emperor mandated that all recruits had to come from Terra.
   
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Well realistically speaking, forcing the recruits be from Terra would be not feasible given how much of the fighting of the Great Crusade was far away from Terra on the fringes of the fledgling Imperium given that they were focused on expanding, unlike in 40K where much of the fighting has to do more with reclaiming or defending their current holdings. There would be too much competition for worthy candidates and although a large proportion of those purged were Terran, being Terran by itself wasn't really the main factor of their loyalty to the Emperor. Many of the Terrans were loyal primarily because they were amongst the first batch of the legions that were lead alongside the Emperor prior to the finding of their respective primarchs, so they had little time under their command comparatively to develop similar loyalty to them. The Terrans trained AFTER the discovery of the Primarch would be much more likely to be subverted to the Primarch's side since then they would be following the recruitment process and be under their direct control rather than the Emperor, so even if this was somehow implemented it wouldn't prevent the heresy.

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Precisely. If the Emperor mandated that all recruits had to come from Terra, what would have happened is that the legions would never have reached their pre-heresy size, and the Great Crusade would have broken against Ullanor and similar big xenos and outworld empires.


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Also, being from Terra isn't a garenteerer of loyalty. it's worth noting that the DISLOYAL elements within the white scars seemed to be mostly Terran

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Precisely. If the Emperor mandated that all recruits had to come from Terra, what would have happened is that the legions would never have reached their pre-heresy size, and the Great Crusade would have broken against Ullanor and similar big xenos and outworld empires.

Let me rephrase the question. Should the Imperium have only recruited from worlds that had excepted Imperial culture (Imperial Truth and belief in united mankind, not the culture of the space wolves, space vampires, space mafia, space you get the picture).

it's worth noting that the DISLOYAL elements within the white scars seemed to be mostly Terran

That proves my point. If I remember correctly they didn't like having to unlearn the original values of the Imperium and instead adopt a alien culture and turned to Horus whose Legion came from a more similar culture.

The Terrans trained AFTER the discovery of the Primarch would be much more likely to be subverted to the Primarch's side since then they would be following the recruitment process and be under their direct control rather than the Emperor, so even if this was somehow implemented it wouldn't prevent the heresy.

I don't think you can rule out that certain culture like the Colchis or Nostamo had culture that simply were not reconcilable with the Imperium.
   
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sure except every legion, even the ones that accepted it had this to one degree or another. the guilliman novel suggests that even the Ultramarines had Terrans who struggled to adapt.

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Some of the biggest names in chaos space marines are Terran. Kharn, Ahriman were both Terran.


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 sierra 1247 wrote:
Some of the biggest names in chaos space marines are Terran. Kharn, Ahriman were both Terran.


true but I suspect that's because terrans where going to have "time in grade" seniority. so chances are most legions had a number of terrans in command positions

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Also the thousand sons were pushed to chaos there story is a tragic one

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Also the thousand sons were pushed to chaos there story is a tragic one
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